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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Im not sure why the guy was arrested, but he was no stranger to handcuffs. He led police on a foot chase and had to be tazed in order to be subdued. But I don't see why the officers had to be charged with 'wrongful imprisonment.' That seems way over the top and will almost certainly be dismissed. If the guy died because of injuries that took place in the van due to intentional action by the driver, then the driver should be charged and the others should just face disciplinary hearings within the department at most. This overzealous prosecutor has simply set the stage for acquittals that will only reinforce the idea that the system is flawed, when in truth, it is her charges that were flawed.
    When a person breaks the law it's not unusual for there to be an entire laundry list of charges. So I don't think there is anything the least bit unusual about the severity of the charges and I would agree that many will be thrown out. Check post 65 in this thread for my assessment of what I think should happen. I'd link it, but I'm responding on my phone.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What struck me is that they had no real reason to arrest him to begin with. My ex-cop, cop worshipping, coworker even agreed the charges were appropriate.
    If they are true. On the surface it looks primarily like a civil case. The city will be and should be sued over it. The assault charges are easy for me to understand and will probably stick. If the manslaughter charges are for involuntary manslaughter then they might stick as well. I have a hard time with the murder charge but we will see as the trial unfolds. When you cut through all the rhetoric and politics, the fact remains that a man was arrested and died by injury while in police custody. There is no excusing that.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Im not sure why the guy was arrested, but he was no stranger to handcuffs. He led police on a foot chase and had to be tazed in order to be subdued. But I don't see why the officers had to be charged with 'wrongful imprisonment.' That seems way over the top and will almost certainly be dismissed. If the guy died because of injuries that took place in the van due to intentional action by the driver, then the driver should be charged and the others should just face disciplinary hearings within the department at most. This overzealous prosecutor has simply set the stage for acquittals that will only reinforce the idea that the system is flawed, when in truth, it is her charges that were flawed.
    I suppose they are charged with wrongful imprisonment because they arrested a man who had done nothing wrong. They arrested a man who had committed no crime. They arrested a man without any probable cause that a crime had been committed.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Uh, no. Elected Prosecutors decided what gets heard in front of judges and juries. You should familiarize yourself with the US judicial system.
    One feature of the US judicial system is the right to a fair trial, and as such, the fate of those on trial and what may be discussed in court is *not* up to the whims of an elected prosecutor.
    Really? So you read the whole report?
    As much of it as you have.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    She talked about that. She said it was legal to posses, regardless, the cops didn't know he had it on him when they pursued him. Not probable cause.

    The cops don't have a right to question anyone without probable cause....they didn't have it.
    You don't need probable cause to pursue, or to question. You need only reasonable suspicion. Simply running from the police does not provide reasonable suspicion, but could if there are other factors in play. The defense will have to provide a better justification than what we currently know to be the facts.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I suppose they are charged with wrongful imprisonment because they arrested a man who had done nothing wrong. They arrested a man who had committed no crime. They arrested a man without any probable cause that a crime had been committed.
    How often are police charged with that sort of thing? Criminal charges seems like over kill to me. Plus, we don't know why they arrested him yet. It seems that discipline would be the proper avenue if they didn't follow procedure with regard to his arrest. But the real issue here is why the guy is dead. That should be what is criminally investigated. When it seems that everyone agrees that most of these charges will be dropped, it seems like misconduct to bring them in the first place. Overzealous prosecutors aren't much better than overzealous officers.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No, that is not right.
    The cases were brought by prosecutors and presented to a court.

    If the jury did not convict, then the problem is the jury, right?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    She specifically said state law allowed it to be possessed (and it clearly is legal to possess it). The manner in which it is possessed, however, can be a violation of city ordinances.
    She specifically stated his knife in his possesion at the time was legal.


    Gray ran upon noticing the cops. This may well give the police probable cause to stop Gray and to attempt to identify him, thus leading to questions on his probation status, the concealed knife etc.
    It was stated that that was not probable cause.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You don't need probable cause to pursue, or to question. You need only reasonable suspicion. Simply running from the police does not provide reasonable suspicion, but could if there are other factors in play. The defense will have to provide a better justification than what we currently know to be the facts.
    You do need probable cause to pursue and arrest. You may not need it to question, but refusal to answer questions is not probable cause. You have every right to not answer a police officers questions.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Apparently there is an anonymous cop that is reporting that Freddy Grey was an informant, and the pursuit and arrest was a cover up to protect his "street cred". That may explain why he was detained for no good reason...and it may mean his death was a freak accident in no-way intended by the involved officers. Be interseting to see how that part, if at all credible, plays out. It could also be an attempt for the cops to get their brethren off the murder/manslaughter charges, though...
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