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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, she's the authority, it's her office who decides what cases to take or dismiss. She is the legal authority on that.
    Which has nothing to do with whether or not her opinion on what qualifies as a legal knife is "100% fact"

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Um, no. That's not what the term hogtied means. See below. Had he been hogtied, the whole discussion about the police not putting his seatbelt on would be moot because he wouldn't even have been able to sit down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Which has nothing to do with whether or not her opinion on what qualifies as a legal knife is "100% fact"


    Um, no. That's not what the term hogtied means. See below. Had he been hogtied, the whole discussion about the police not putting his seatbelt on would be moot because he wouldn't even have been able to sit down.
    Umm pretty sure.. she has the authority to say what is and what isn't legal.

    He was hogtied in the van as the driver has stated to investigators.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Umm pretty sure.. she has the authority to say what is and what isn't legal.
    No. We have people called "judges" and groups called "juries" that fill that role.


    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    He was hogtied in the van as the driver has stated to investigators.
    There's no evidence of the driver making any such claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No. We have people called "judges" and groups called "juries" that fill that role.
    Uh, no. Elected Prosecutors decided what gets heard in front of judges and juries. You should familiarize yourself with the US judicial system.



    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There's no evidence of the driver making any such claim.
    Really? So you read the whole report?
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So you are saying the jury system does not work, is that right?
    No, that is not right.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    If anybody think these charges are appropriate they are not living in reality.





    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Inb4 at least one of these officers get convicted and some people claim, "They were just convicted to appease the black citizens."

    And anyone who would say something like that is ignorant beyond words
    As they were not convicted that would be an absurd thing to say.

    But in light of the Prosecutor's statement, anyone who would say that they were not charged to appease the rioters, is ignorant beyond words.





    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Did anybody here see the video of Gray being loaded into the van?

    He was being dragged like his legs were already paralyzed.
    Videos have been edited to show only that.
    The full video shows him standing on his own on the vehicle and then ducking to get inside.





    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    he claims his statement has been taken out of context.
    No, that is your take on what he said.
    Not once did he say it didn't happen.

    At no point in the below quote did he make any declarative statement about what he said.

    “And they trying to make it seem like I told them that, I made it like Freddie Gray did that to hisself (sic),” Allen said. “Why the [expletive] would he do that to hisself (sic)?”

    Whether he was being deceitful at this point remains to be seen, but the manner in which he said the above is a way of being deceitful without actually lying.
    And he already stated the reason he is saying this is because of fear.

    “I had two options today right, either come and talk to y’all and get my credibility straight with ya’ll and not get killed by these [expletive] or not tell a true story,” Allen added. “The only reason I’m doing this is because they put my name in a bad state.”


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Plus apparently it is obligatory protocol to seatbelt in a suspect in the van
    An unsupported claim. The standard available online
    makes exceptions for Officer safety.
    Secondly, that is not a law and has no force as such.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's about time that we start holding the police responsible for their actions and to exert some control against government force
    Not by making false accusations and wrongly charging them.





    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Is there anyone that disputes that officers are responsible for the health and well-being of their prisoners?
    Conflation. No one said they weren't, but you are conflating that with Gray being responsible for his actions which brought about his death.


    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    If it can be shown that Mr. Gray wasn't secured (a fact that doesn't seem to be in dispute) how does the driver of the van get exonerated?
    That isn't a law.

    But how does he get exonerated you ask?
    How much you want to bet that it will be argued the the supposed new Policy wasn't properly implemented?


    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    This is a clear cut case of police in Baltimore suspecting someone of a crime and then arresting that person when no crime was committed.
    No it really isn't.
    They observed what appeared to be a drug deal and they bolted. Chase was given, he resisted and he was found in possession of a knife which was believed to be illegal.
    If the Officer was wrong that puts the arrest in the category of a mistake, not an illegal arrest.
    But it is definitely not known if he was mistaken or not.


    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    It's also a case of Baltimore police violated department policy.
    That remains to be seen, but it is not a criminal violation.





    Quote Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
    Apparently he checked on Gray numerous times and did not get him medical care, instead he picked up another prisoner. Sounds like depraved indifference at the very least.
    Why would he get him care if he didn't need it?





    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Also, anyone who saw that route the van took as it turned left, right, left, right in a circle until it was right back where it started knows that something is very weird.
    No it is not weird.
    You get calls to pick suspects up. Then you go to central booking.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Somebody has got some explaining to do, and calling a legal pocket knife a "switchblade" on an "official" police report declaring that as probable cause is just not cutting it.
    The Prosecutor may be misleading people here.
    No it was not illegal by Maryland law. It may have been illegal by City Ordinance.
    While it may have a folding blade it still may fit into the category of illegal by the definition of switch-blade in that statute. That remains to be seen.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Happened in Ferguson(remember the fractured bane in the police officer's face?), happened here.
    Not even the same.
    In the Ferguson case there was no Official source saying anything about a fracture.
    It was other non-news sources making the claim.
    In Ferguson, the only official thing said was that he received a facial injury requiring hospitalization which was true.





    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    They also hog tied him which is a no no as well. It's illegal procedure in all major Police departments.
    Support your claims.


    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    That basically means the cops looked the other way.
    Which doesn't appear to have happened.


    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It was clear cut. Hell it was clear cut the moment the police check his pockets and didn't find a switch blade but a folding blade. The position of those saying he was carrying an illegal knife is because you also have an illegal dentition and thus subject to what is kidnapping.
    You are assumign she is correct and that she is not being misleading.

    If the Officer believed it was in violation, it is not an illegal arrest as claimed.
    So no, it is not clear cut.


    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    No, we have the Prosecuting AUTHORITY in Baltimore saying it was a legal knife. So it's 100% true. Can't dispute the facts and facts were it was a legal knife.

    No.
    It is 100% true that she said that. Whether what she said is 100% true remains to be seen.





    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    And that's the problem.

    I challenge anyone that questions the "depraved heart" element of the driver's charges...

    Have your friend "hogtie" you & drive around... Never mind a "rough ride." You have no way to brace your own bodyweight.. You're helpless in that situation. You're basically ******.
    I see you do not understands how ridiculous that claim is.
    The evidence is it was as smooth ride. You are not jarred around on a smooth ride.

    We know he was left face down with his head facing forward.
    So if he was hogtied, just how did he standup, turn around and slam his head against a bolt in the rear and then fall damaging his voicebox?

    The only answer to that is he couldn't have.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, not my system. This is the Democrat machine of Baltimore at work. You sure are right about partisanship.
    Not just Dems. Elected Judges – States Attorneys – recipe for corruption
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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