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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    While I agree the Duke case was a sham, the circumstances here are much different. A man has died in police custody. The only question is did he kill himself was his death an accident or was there malice involved.

    I look forward to seeing more evidence.
    Did anybody here see the video of Gray being loaded into the van?

    He was being dragged like his legs were already paralyzed.

    We need to know more about what happened and when before we make guesses on the outcome of this case.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    He makes some good points.

    How exactly did the Officers kill Freddie Gray without literally touching him ?

    Second degree murder ? Yea right. These charges are simply an attempt to appease to the people who bought into all of this " hands up dont shoot " BS.

    To calm down a community that was one assumption away from full on riots.
    If you cut the brake lines on a car and the driver dies, you would still be guilty of murder, even though you didn't touch the person.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

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    So after that, do you still want to be a cop?
    That was 25 years ago...lol, but no I didn't.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Wow!

    This is big.

    I was initially shock upon this announcement, since it so rare for the police to be held criminally accountable, but now am ebullient because I believe we may have finally turned the corner on the lack of police accountability and the eroding of our civil rights with the prosecution of cases like this & the Slager-Scott murder in South Carolina.

    Hopefully this long painful slide of our eroding rights and police criminal immunity has hit a bottom - I do sense a change in the air.

    The police have a difficult job, and it just got tougher and I feel for them, realizing a lot of their problems are cultural & structural

    But no one should be above the law - a criminal act is a criminal act. And no one should violate our constitutional rights, including that of due process. ESPECIALLY our civil servants sworn to uphold the law!

    And I would hope that our good brethren peace officers realize that when they turn their back on the crimes of their fellow officers in their deeds & documentation, that they too will be held liable including criminally, and they act accordingly by doing the right thing in breaking the code of blue silence. They may not have much choice anymore (hopefully), and that's a good thing. At the least they will be forced to think through their actions & inactions.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post

    No, we have the Prosecuting AUTHORITY in Baltimore saying it was a legal knife.
    So it's 100% true. Can't dispute the facts and facts were it was a legal knife. But even further Police didn't have probable cause in the first place to search him. Running is not a crime.
    Wow, you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. The prosecutor claims the knife was legal therefore it's 100% true because she's the authority...

    Are you nuts???

    No, if it was sent in an email, printed out or discussed at briefings before patrol and signed off by Police Commissioner.. it's a policy. ALL of which happened. So you can muddle the truth with your own made up facts but doesn't fly here.
    Oh, I think it's quite clear who has been making up facts in this thread. And now we have a couple more to add to the "Freddie Gray was hogtied" claim.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I agree. The only reason to charge all six officers is to appease the mob. What we are seeing is a smooth transition from abuse by police to prosecutorial abuse. But it is interesting to watch those who denounce the former and praise the latter.
    But, but, but, some of the arresting officers were black. Heck, the one with the most serious charge is black. How is this going to appease a riotous mob of black people?
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Wow, you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. The prosecutor claims the knife was legal therefore it's 100% true because she's the authority...

    Are you nuts???
    Yes, she's the authority, it's her office who decides what cases to take or dismiss. She is the legal authority on that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh, I think it's quite clear who has been making up facts in this thread. And now we have a couple more to add to the "Freddie Gray was hogtied" claim.
    Do you know what the term hogtied means? It's where they cuff you behind your back and put you in leg irons.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yeah, the rule was the prisoner has to be buckled in. Baltimore had a similar case with a guy who did the same thing in a police van. He sued and won a bunch of money from the city. The cops knew better, and because they were (allegedly) negligent the prisoner died. Ipso facto, negligent homicide, although I'm not sure where the prosecutor is getting 2nd degree murder. To charge murder the prosecutor is saying that the police intended to kill Gray. I don't think they'll be able to prove that. The police were indifferent, maybe, but intending to kill? Don't think so.
    Ok you have a "rule" IE a guideline but do you have an actual statute which states he had to be buckled in? This would be like if I decided to stand up in the back of a moving pick up truck and ended up breaking my neck and then trying to charge the driver for negligent homicide because I was a ****ing idiot, it's asinine and no I'm not a huge fan of law enforcement myself but this case is not analogous to that POS who shot the guy in the back and the like and it certainly isn't a racial issue as some are trying to make it considering that Baltimore's government and police force have if not a majority a proportional African American representation.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Yes, she's the authority, it's her office who decides what cases to take or dismiss. She is the legal authority on that.




    Do you know what the term hogtied means? It's where they cuff you behind your back and put you in leg irons.
    And that's the problem.

    I challenge anyone that questions the "depraved heart" element of the driver's charges...

    Have your friend "hogtie" you & drive around... Never mind a "rough ride." You have no way to brace your own bodyweight.. You're helpless in that situation. You're basically ******.

    Anyone with a lick of common sense, that acknowledges the laws of gravity should have known better.

    The police should be held to a higher standard. I think they knew better. Freddie Gray was just another number to them...

    I think their behavior was deplorable.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    As someone that spent a year on ride-a-longs with the police (I wanted to be a cop) I saw my fair share of overly physical treatment. I saw people treated like scum and often used as a tactic to get people angry so they could be searched and/ or arrested. Again, I don't think that what happened in Baltimore is indicative of the majority of arrests across the US, but I would say that it happens far more often than it should.
    That certainly needs to be rooted out. I guess we country people don't see much of that. My last interface with the police was a couple of weeks ago when I falied to turn off my security system. The deputy showed up. I thanked him, apologized for my action, invited him for coffee and had good conversation. A few years ago I was stopped for speeding. The cop asked me if I was in a hurry. I said no. I was just going to the post office. No excuse. He commented that most people lied and suggested I probably didn't need a ticket or a lecture and that I should enjoy the afternoon. Pretty boring for the police out here I guess. We did have a murder about 10 years ago but luckily it wasn't at my house. Not exactly the same as Baltimore.
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