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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post

    It was clear cut.
    Hell it was clear cut the moment the police check his pockets and didn't find a switch blade but a folding blade. The position of those saying he was carrying an illegal knife is because you also have an illegal dentition and thus subject to what is kidnapping
    So... again, we have one side that says the knife was legal, and another side that says it is illegal. We don't know that the police searched his pockets and didn't find a swichblade. Might be true, but that's conjecture on you part. There is nothing "clear cut" yet as to whether or not he was wrongfully arrested.

    [Most switchblades are folding blades, btw.]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Doesn't matter. A policy is a policy. It makes the whole department culpable and "heads" should roll from the top down over it.
    Lol - of course it matters. A policy is not a policy if no one knows about it.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    You don't get out much, I take it. Many police have been charged and convicted for crimes committed while on duty.
    Perhaps, but not in relation to those that face no or reduced consequences. In my large metro area I haven't seen many prosecutions in relation to the large number that seem to walk or only take a minor hit from pretty some egregious acts. There does appear to be structural problems in the whole political/judicial/enforcement sphere, from the mayor's office to the DAs to the FOP to the judges to the criminal & operations code as it applies specifically to police officers.

    It's been very hard to get prosecution & conviction compared to the vast majority that seem to get 'swept under the rug'. But that does seem to be slightly changing in my city too, but very slight - a really nasty example of a misjustice involving a police shooting homicide where the officer walked occurred just the other day though, so there's still a long way to go.

    Source: Al Jazeera America - Judge finds Chicago police officer not guilty in fatal shooting

    Check out the legal logic to let this guy (who was upset some young people woke him up late one night) walk, and please note it's a CPD in a Cook County courtroom facing charges prepared by the Cook County DA's office in (this is important --->) a bench trial.

    The judge rules the copper beats Involuntary Manslaughter because the act of pointing a gun & shooting it is "assumed to be intentional", therefore he's not guilty of Involuntary. The judge then comments the correct charge should have been murder. Due to the 'double jeopardy' rule, the officer cannot be charged correctly with murder - he walks, keeps job, pension, etc.

    Is there any doubt the fix was in?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They will.

    They're just overcharging them and no way they'll get 2cnd degree.

    For one now you have contradicting reports from the Medical examiner who yesterday reported that there was no evidence that Gray died during his arrest or at the hands of the Police in the back of the Van.

    Today, homicide with a long list of charges.
    The ME, to be fair does not make the homicide charge. Just the cause of death. It was the PA who is making the homicide charge.

    My guess she is blowing smoke. As in this case the murder charge would be classified as infamous and she would not want a grand jury.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So... again, we have one side that says the knife was legal, and another side that says it is illegal. We don't know that the police searched his pockets and didn't find a swichblade. Might be true, but that's conjecture on you part. There is nothing "clear cut" yet as to whether or not he was wrongfully arrested.

    No, we have the Prosecuting AUTHORITY in Baltimore saying it was a legal knife.
    So it's 100% true. Can't dispute the facts and facts were it was a legal knife. But even further Police didn't have probable cause in the first place to search him. Running is not a crime.

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    [Most switchblades are folding blades, btw.]
    All switchblades are Spring assisted knives. Not all folding knives are switchblades.


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Lol - of course it matters. A policy is not a policy if no one knows about it.
    No, if it was sent in an email, printed out or discussed at briefings before patrol and signed off by Police Commissioner.. it's a policy. ALL of which happened. So you can muddle the truth with your own made up facts but doesn't fly here.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    As someone that spent a year on ride-a-longs with the police (I wanted to be a cop) I saw my fair share of overly physical treatment. I saw people treated like scum and often used as a tactic to get people angry so they could be searched and/ or arrested. Again, I don't think that what happened in Baltimore is indicative of the majority of arrests across the US, but I would say that it happens far more often than it should.
    So after that, do you still want to be a cop?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    used to be a very sought out profession

    cops were heralded as professional dedicated guys and gals

    now....no way in hell

    especially in any urban area.....let it burn
    Have police officers changed or has the public?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm glad the officers involved are being held accountable. But... and it's a big one... arrest is one thing, conviction is another. Most police officers who are actually arrested and go to trial are acquitted, regardless of the circumstances. Look at those Fullerton police officers who repeatedly tazed a handcuffed, mentally disturbed man, then beat and kicked him to death. Every bone in his face was fractured. His face was completely black, unrecognizable, and the size of a watermelon. Almost all of the incident was caught on video, witnessed by dozens of people... yet they were acquitted, even in the face of indisputable evidence that they had literally murdered a handcuffed man.

    My main fear is that if... or when... these officers are acquitted, last week's riot in Baltimore will look like mere foreplay to the explosion of violence that will be unleashed. I truly hope they have a bulletproof case, but even if they do, events in Fullerton reveal that isn't enough to get convictions against police officers who have clearly abused their authority.
    So you are saying the jury system does not work, is that right?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    All six officers have been charged. Now it goes to Grand Jury. As I read over the charges those are some pretty high charges for someone to be charged with and with that comes proof some pretty high proof they are warranted.
    •Officer Caeser B. Goodson, Jr. was charged with second-degree depraved heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, two counts of manslaughter by vehicle and misconduct in office.
    •Officer William G. Porter was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.
    •Lt. Brian W. Rice was charged with involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Officer Edward M. Nero charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Officer Garret Miller charged with two counts of second-degree assault, two counts of misconduct in office and false imprisonment.
    •Sgt. Alicia White involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault and misconduct in office.

    Warrants have been issued for the arrest of the officers.

    But what if they can't prove the level of the charges against these officers? What if the Grand Jury can't justify such charges and throws the case out for some or all? What is that going to do for those who have already made up their mind the officers are guilty of the crimes they have been charged with? Will that cause an uproar of burn the bitch down again?
    How many people died in this incident?

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Blind partisanship led to Darren Wilson being declared guilty by a Mob of rioters and uninformed protesters .

    Its whats diverts attention away from the REAL and Substantial issues that affect these inner city communities and places all of it on nonsense like " out of control " Police brutality.

    Blind partisanship is why the Obama administration responded to the Ferguson debacle by writing up a " How not to be a racist Police Officer " list instead of pointing out that unemployment, poverty and crime is disproportionately higher in these inner city areas than anywhere else.

    Blind partisanship is how people can walk aroud holding signs that say " Black Lives Matter " after suspected Police brutality while they ignore the large amount of black on black violence that exist in neighborhoods like Baltimore and Chicago.

    Blind partisanship is you or anyone else judging these Officers as guilty before they've stepped in a court of law.
    So your definition of "blind partisanship" is "Democrats." Figures, sadly. Sadly, the "party of personal freedom" and the people who are always saying we need guns to defend our freedom are totally fine with citizens being killed by police.

    Instead of "black lives matter," how about "Citizens' lives matter?" Sadly, you'd be against that too. Unless of course, a Republican started it.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    This was a purely political act. Depraved heart, really? Because they didn't put on a seat belt. She is an absolute disgrace. More like Depraved Democrats.
    This is the problem. You don't know why she charged the officers like she did.

    That will come out with time.

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