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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    This isn't other cases and her campaign promise to " be tough on Police brutality " instead of protecting the Law abiding citizens and bringing investment back to a City that is desperate for it just means things in that city will continue to devolve )
    Fenton this isn't an argument you want to have with me.

    This is a clear cut case of police in Baltimore suspecting someone of a crime and then arresting that person when no crime was committed. It's also a case of Baltimore police violated department policy.

    In the Baltimore area (city and surrounding counties) there have been 99 deaths in police custody over the last 5 years. Roughly 20 a year. While at the same time the City of Baltimore has paid out $5.7m in cases which have contained police brutality during that same period. In those cases not one police officer was ever arrested or charged for their actions.

    Her job is not bring money to the city but to protect law abiding citizens. Police can be criminals too. This is a case where those accused are police. That's it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    She and too many of the residents have bought into this blown up manufactured narrative that every inner city Police force is corrupt and and racist and something needs to be done about.
    Sorry, Fenton.. there have been exposé about BCPD. Fact, I linked such one. There is also a long history of deaths in custody of BCPD.

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    Baltimore ( and other inner city areas ) is the product of decades of Democrat rule and policies that lead to crushing poverty, dependance, corruption and crime.
    That is your opinion, not fact. You are making a judgement on Baltimore without knowing exactly how Baltimore works. Baltimore doesn't have a "inner city" in which it's poverty, dependance and crime lay. Rather in Baltimore it's inner city is the wealthy area with Inner Harbor, Camden Yards, Bolton Hill, Charles North, Market Place, and UMBC. Those areas have had hundreds of millions (more like a $1b plus but Ravens and Orioles are paying down their loans for their Stadiums) in the last 30 years. It's where 90% of the money goes. Failed attempts in the past to throw money to build homes in Sandtown backfired because the city build homes and lots of them but people were leaving that area.

    Baltimore's issue has always been since MLK riots of 1968.. was lack of jobs and business fleeing the city. Then to combat that issue.. Baltimore started getting "tough on crime" Giuliani style. Then began relying more and more on DoJ and other Federal funding so they sought higher arrest numbers. So thousands and thousands were arrested for some stupid ****.. In fact 600,000 arrest were made in a city of 620,000 during 1 year under Martin O'Malley. Being arrested, just arrested mind you, will harm your ability to get a job because it's considered part of your criminal record. So if you are arrested for "trespassing" or "jay walking".. it could easily cost you a job in Maryland. It wasn't until 2007 Maryland addressed BCPD and the City of Baltimore's policy of arresting just to arrest. But the damage was done. You have a large part of population who couldn't and still can't get a job because of it. That has a snowball effect.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Unfortunately its the residents of Baltimore that the Democrats claim to care about the most who suffer under these Political monopolies.
    And I don't disagree there is a portion of that here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They have a Mayor who allowed rioters to destroy their neighborhood and a Mayor that told her Police force to stand down and then went and hid behind Al Sharpton instead of answering questions.

    Anyone who watched that video of those High Schoolers pelting the Police with bricks and chunks of concrete and comes away thinking that Police brutality is the primary problem in that community is a friken moron.

    Pushing false narratives about Police brutality while almost 40 percent of Baltimores residents are unemployed, while the drop out rate is nearly 40 percent and the average level of education is a 8th grade education does nothing but lead to more destruction and more economic blight for the residents that live there.
    And this is why you don't want to argue with me on this. In the last 47 years Baltimore has become a city with a strong working class to a "welfare" city in large part due to Maryland and Baltimore policing policies in which it doesn't matter if you are convicted or not but rather that you were arrested.

    It stays on your record. You can expunge your record but it costs so much you can't afford it. This can cost you jobs because of background checks which leads to a dead end street of welfare and slinging drugs.

    It's time to wake up and realize the State (city, state and federal) has policies in which slave people to the system and that very State will always beat you down. You are nothing but a vote which can be bought with a promise and the promises hasn't changed in 50 years.

    So I absolutely understand why there was riots in Baltimore and I absolutely understand how the system is against them. How it took this reaction to get Media to pay attention. God knows the media didn't pay attention to the 109 deaths in policy custody from 2010 to 2014 in Maryland of which 90% happened around Baltimore and it's surrounding counties.

    But hey.. if you wanna debate this with a white guy who's a libertarian and knows Baltimore in and out damn well. Go ahead and try.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I didn't quote him, I just said he as a different take on the case.

    As for Banzhaf he's against smoking as one of his pet peeves, and other atavist issues, but better he than atavist judges. However here he speaks out what the prosecutor is going to have to prove to get a conviction and for the most part I agree with what he said.

    I take it you don't agree, thus you believe it's a slam dunk to convict all 6 of these officers.
    I never said it was a slam dunk. Some charges will stick. Some won't. Just like in every other case in the justice system. Hell even Sandusky wasn't conviction on all counts.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    You know what?, F* the inner city liberal hell holes. Cops should draw back and let them live the liberal life. One of deadbeats and government dependents.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Oh hell no.
    you are right, there are lots of cases where blacks riot over a black mope dying allegedly due to the police violating the laws or rights of the suspect. Like the mope in Fergunson who was a legitimate shoot.
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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Something that was reported on CNN earlier is that apparently for the past couple of decades there have been other deaths, severe spinal injuries, etc., that the city has had to pay big settlements for, many injuries almost exactly like Gray's. The new AG's first order of business was to investigate these cases of "rough rides" that apparently the Baltimore police are famous for. One guy paralyzed from the neck down in a wheelchair, says he was also hogtied on the floor of the police van as it zigged, zagged, force stopped and peeled rubber, throwing him all over the metal interior, and severely injuring his spinal column. Sound familiar?

    As the AG investigated these and other allegations, she had her own investigators out on the street watching and reporting on certain incidents. The Gray incident was supposedly one of them, which gave her information from sources much earlier, so she didn't have to wait for the preliminary report. Hence, the fast action.

    Also, anyone who saw that route the van took as it turned left, right, left, right in a circle until it was right back where it started knows that something is very weird. The police station was a couple of blocks straight south of the corner where Gray was arrested; the hospital a couple more blocks south, all in a straight line. By the time they had run this convoluted course all over the place, they ended up right back at the damned police station, where Gray was finally sent to the hospital.

    Somebody has got some explaining to do, and calling a legal pocket knife a "switchblade" on an "official" police report declaring that as probable cause is just not cutting it. I supported the Ferguson police officer, because the evidence at the scene supported every detail on his official report. This... this reeks of decades of falsified police reports, false arrests, abuse of authority, and who knows what else.

    I don't care if this new AG has her sites set on a future governorship or the whitehouse, if she can clean up that ****hole's police department, more power to her.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    This is a clear cut case of police in Baltimore suspecting someone of a crime and then arresting that person when no crime was committed.
    When did this become "clear cut?" Is it not the case that we've got one group of people saying he was carrying an illegal knife, and another group saying the knife he was carrying was legal?

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    It's also a case of Baltimore police violated department policy.
    A policy that was apparently three days old, and in which officers were notified somewhere in a large email. If the policy was so important, I don't know that the officers deserve all or even most of the blame for why it wasn't followed.

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    that's fine

    you going to be the first volunteer?

    you get 45k annually.....for putting your life on the line daily
    As I stated, the guys in my city are making a far-cry from $45K - six figures+ is the norm here, with a substantial number well above $100K. Even the 'burbs are doing $70-90K for experienced patrol officers, and of course higher for sarges, lieutenants, specialists, dicks, and other higher ranking personnel, of which there's a fair amount. There's also a substantial amount of overtime (at time & a half), including paperwork back at the precinct and court time, not to speak of benefits & pensions in the top several percent in the country - they have no problems getting a huge turnout for the exam far above those selected.

    But for those locales that may be as low as $45K, do we walk on the constitution, urinate on the flag, an shat on citizens rights because of low funding? If qualified individuals cannot be found due to low salary it seems the right thing to do is increase the salary, not reduce the constitutionality of those policing! Accepting poor police performance due to low pay would seem to be one more structural flaw that needs fixing, if true.

    dont make a mistake....they arent allowed
    When an individual is entrusted with the use of criminal arrest & lethal force, yes we should make sure he is pretty damn good in his judgement & execution of his duties - no different than an airline pilot, ironworker, train engineer, electrical power lineman, etc.

    oh, and the best part.....most of the people you will be responsible for looking after, absolutely hate you, and everything you stand for
    When most the people "absolutely hate you, and everything you stand for" there are extremely serious structural & cultural failures that need to be addressed, no?

    but you are going to sign right up.....right?
    I'm past the age of enlistment, but my 18 y.o. son is giving the PD a serious look since many of his HS buddies are the kids of PD - but giving fodder to your argument, I'm lightly nudging him to FD (same pay & bennies) for all the negatives you mentioned along with a few great FD specific bennies, but if he were to chose PD I'd be proud as ----. Many oh his buddies are going to follow their old man and uncles to PD, though - it's pretty much in their DNA coming from cop families (and from going to a big-time cop & FD private school).

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    When did this become "clear cut?" Is it not the case that we've got one group of people saying he was carrying an illegal knife, and another group saying the knife he was carrying was legal?

    It was clear cut.
    Hell it was clear cut the moment the police check his pockets and didn't find a switch blade but a folding blade. The position of those saying he was carrying an illegal knife is because you also have an illegal dentition and thus subject to what is kidnapping.


    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    A policy that was apparently three days old, and in which officers were notified somewhere in a large email. If the policy was so important, I don't know that the officers deserve all or even most of the blame for why it wasn't followed.
    Doesn't matter. A policy is a policy. It makes the whole department culpable and "heads" should roll from the top down over it.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: City State’s Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Honestly I didn't know that...hmmmm
    Neither did I. I'm sure backup data will be forthcoming.

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