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Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport van

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BREAKING NEWS: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport van | WJLA.com

BALTIMORE, Md. (WJLA) -- An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.
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The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report tuned over to prosecutors on Thursday as well as preliminary findings made by the medical examiner's office.
Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

Always wear your seatbelt.
 
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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was

It seems he succeeded.
 
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Cool, Ima still gonna burn my neighbors house down.
 
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Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.
[sarcasm]Damn cops hit him in the head with a van.[/sarcasm]




Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News
 
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[sarcasm]Damn cops hit him in the head with a van.[/sarcasm]




Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News

I'm a little confused. Wasn't his neck broken by the end of the ride when they arrived at the station? How was he kicking around with a fractured spine?
 
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Well at least they had fun burning down their local economy and stripping their neighbors of jobs :D
 
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I'm a little confused. Wasn't his neck broken by the end of the ride when they arrived at the station? How was he kicking around with a fractured spine?

Put the relevant information together.
He was thrashing around in the back of the van which did not speed, make sudden stops or was driven erratically.
He did this thrashing for the supposed five minutes the other arrestee was in the van.
This thrashing stopped just before they arrived at their destination.
That would indicate that he fatally injured himself at that point in time. Not from or during his resisting arrest.
Which would indicate that it was not caused by the arresting Officers.
 
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And he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, a violation of rules. Also, there is evidence of a stop that was not reported by the transporting officers. Definitely bears further scrutiny.
 
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Put the relevant information together.
He was thrashing around in the back of the van which did not speed, make sudden stops or was driven erratically.
He did this thrashing for the supposed five minutes the other arrestee was in the van.
This thrashing stopped just before they arrived at their destination.
That would indicate that he fatally injured himself at that point in time. Not from or during his resisting arrest.
Which would indicate that it was not caused by the arresting Officers.

Where are you getting "just before they arrived at their destination" from. What you quoted never had anything about Gray suddenly stopping or ceasing at any point, it indicates that he continuously was banging around throughout the entirety of the time.
 
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And he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, a violation of rules. Also, there is evidence of a stop that was not reported by the transporting officers. Definitely bears further scrutiny.

That stop occurred prior to the other arrestee being loaded into the van.
As such it has no bearing on the other relevant info.

Seatbelt.
Yes it is a policy violation, not a violation of the law.
As they already stated, is was done out of safety concerns for the Officer.
Whether or not that makes the transport Officer culpable remains to be seen.

But as Freddy was apparently trying to injure himself, he succeeded.
 
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Where are you getting "just before they arrived at their destination" from. What you quoted never had anything about Gray suddenly stopping or ceasing at any point, it indicates that he continuously was banging around throughout the entirety of the time.
If you are trying to nit pick between the differences of "just before" vs "just as" they arrived. Stop, I meant it as reported. If not, read on.

1. You are arguing nonsense given what the other arrestee has said as well as the reported information that has been made available to us.

2. You apparently did not read the link I provided.
Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station.

You do know what the word until means right?

That is an indication of the point that Gray's activity stopped as stated by the other passenger.

Now if you had bothered to read the other accounts of what happened that would also be the destination where they eventually opened the door to find him down.
 
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If you are trying to nit pick between the differences of "just before" vs "just as" they arrived. Stop, I meant it as reported. If not, read on.

1. You are arguing nonsense given what the other arrestee has said as well as the reported information that has been made available to us.

2. You apparently did not read the link I provided.
Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station.

You do know what the word until means right?

That is an indication of the point that Gray's activity stopped.

Now if you had bothered to read the other accounts of what happened that is when they opened the door to find him down.

It's not really clear.

up to
phrase of up
1.
as far as.
"I could reach just up to his waist"
until.
"up to now I hadn't had a relationship"
2.
indicating a maximum amount.
"the process is expected to take up to two years"

"Up until" is used in the same way, I usually hear something like "She cried up until the movie started" which means "Her crying didn't end when the movie started."

What I'm going to do it wait until the investigation is complete. Everybody has a picture they want to see and will mash the puzzle pieces together hoping to get that picture. It's obvious that you're doing just that. You could be right or you could be wrong, but there are missing pieces to this puzzle, contradicting pieces, and you no amount of cognitive dissonance will erase that. Your problem here is convoluted thinking and personal bias, that much is obvious. I feel bad for you.
 
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Personally, if this report is accurate, and it is definitively the cause of Mr. Gray's injuries and demise, I think there's a good chance someone in authority in that police van is going to be facing charges of reckless endangerment or some other charge fitting the severity of the negligence that led to Mr. Gray hitting his head on the back of the van.

When the police take you into custody, it is their responsibility to secure and protect you in transport and during your time in custody.

If procedures weren't followed and a man died because of it, consequences have to be result.
 
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but there are missing pieces to this puzzle, contradicting pieces, and you no amount of cognitive dissonance will erase that. Your problem here is convoluted thinking and personal bias, that much is obvious. I feel bad for you.
You clearly do not understand "up until".
Nor have you shown any piece to be missing.

You need to feel bad for yourself as the things you mentioned are only being displayed by you.
 
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And he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, a violation of rules. Also, there is evidence of a stop that was not reported by the transporting officers. Definitely bears further scrutiny.

The seat-belt issue is debatable as the new order was just released and it is not known that the officers we aware of it.
 
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The seat-belt issue is debatable as the new order was just released and it is not known that the officers we aware of it.

Ok. Still believe we don't know the entire story. The justice department should investigate.
 
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That stop occurred prior to the other arrestee being loaded into the van.
As such it has no bearing on the other relevant info.

Seatbelt.
Yes it is a policy violation, not a violation of the law.
As they already stated, is was done out of safety concerns for the Officer.
Whether or not that makes the transport Officer culpable remains to be seen.

But as Freddy was apparently trying to injure himself, he succeeded.

It certainly is relevant, as the officers failed to report it and it would not have come to light were it not on film. And we have the word of a man in custody, who could not see Freddy, as to what was happening?
 
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Personally, if this report is accurate, and it is definitively the cause of Mr. Gray's injuries and demise, I think there's a good chance someone in authority in that police van is going to be facing charges of reckless endangerment or some other charge fitting the severity of the negligence that led to Mr. Gray hitting his head on the back of the van.

When the police take you into custody, it is their responsibility to secure and protect you in transport and during your time in custody.

If procedures weren't followed and a man died because of it, consequences have to be result.

If Gray was in a seat-built or not he could still bang his head against the van. You suggest an officer should have put his head in a headlock and hold him down the moment he entered the van until he was removed. That's never going to fly. Officers can only do so much, if a person is hell bent on hurting himself there is really not that much thy can do. Hell people kill themselves in jails all the time, under lock down and under watch, but they still commit suicide.

If Procedures, if procedures, seem you can procedure, procedure, procedure and still a procedure is not going to stop a person wanting to hurt themselves, no one can predict what a person is going to do, and when they do it, how much is an officer supposed to do, or is made to do? It's all subjective.
 
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You clearly do not understand "up until".
Nor have you shown any piece to be missing.

You need to feel bad for yourself as the things you mentioned are only being displayed by you.

Just giving you a taste of your own medicine for my enjoyment, but you're delusional if you think you are the only person alive who knows with certainty what happened. My inclination is that his death was largely an accident caused in part by the police not following updated procedure. But I will continue to wait until the investigation is complete until I make up my mind, you are free to jump to the conclusion you want. Remember, you were the guy saying that Zimmerman's wife had done nothing illegal, which turned out to be completely wrong, so you have a history of jumping to conclusions. Not surprised that you're doing it again here.
 
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Ok. Still believe we don't know the entire story. The justice department should investigate.

With this case, we have no idea what happened. And by now you would think they would release some findings, they have yet to release the autopsy results. We really know nothing, zip zero, nada and we should.

The justice department should not investigate. Let the local authorities do their job.
 
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If Gray was in a seat-built or not he could still bang his head against the van. You suggest an officer should have put his head in a headlock and hold him down the moment he entered the van until he was removed. That's never going to fly. Officers can only do so much, if a person is hell bent on hurting himself there is really not that much thy can do. Hell people kill themselves in jails all the time, under lock down and under watch, but they still commit suicide.

If Procedures, if procedures, seem you can procedure, procedure, procedure and still a procedure is not going to stop a person wanting to hurt themselves, no one can predict what a person is going to do, and when they do it, how much is an officer supposed to do, or is made to do? It's all subjective.

Sorry, but the police are in the business of transporting prisoners daily/hourly. You're telling me that any time a prisoner is transported, their life is potentially in danger because they don't have to be properly secured before the vehicle takes off? A 180lb man flying around the back of a van sounds pretty dangerous to anyone else in the back of that fan if the driver hits a bump, swerves, avoids a collision, etc. It's why it's against the law to have children in a vehicle without properly securing them. In an accident, a free body becomes a weapon of destruction.

I'm not buying that transporting prisoners is nothing more than a crap shoot - some make it, some don't.
 
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With this case, we have no idea what happened. And by now you would think they would release some findings, they have yet to release the autopsy results. We really know nothing, zip zero, nada and we should.

The justice department should not investigate. Let the local authorities do their job.

That would be ideal, if the locals could be trusted.
 
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It certainly is relevant, as the officers failed to report it and it would not have come to light were it not on film. And we have the word of a man in custody, who could not see Freddy, as to what was happening?
No it isn't relevant.
That stop happened before the other passenger was in the van.
Follow the sequence of events and the supposed Coroner's findings.
It was only after the other passenger was in the van that pertinent event happened.



And the "Officers" have nothing to do with it and they wouldn't report it.
It was the transport Officer.
The van wasn't speeding, stopping suddenly or being driven erratically. So it isn't like he was being tossed about.
Under such conditions it is more than logical to assume the noises you here would be someone trying to injure themselves or even escape.

Or have not seen arrestees banging their heads and kicking against widows, walls, and even tables? That is normal behavior.
 
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Sorry, but the police are in the business of transporting prisoners daily/hourly. You're telling me that any time a prisoner is transported, their life is potentially in danger because they don't have to be properly secured before the vehicle takes off? A 180lb man flying around the back of a van sounds pretty dangerous to anyone else in the back of that fan if the driver hits a bump, swerves, avoids a collision, etc. It's why it's against the law to have children in a vehicle without properly securing them. In an accident, a free body becomes a weapon of destruction.

I'm not buying that transporting prisoners is nothing more than a crap shoot - some make it, some don't.

There is no seat belt law for buses, there is no seat belt for motorcycles and other forms of transportation. If your putting your whole premise that the officers were supposed to belt him in. Where is the law and was the law implemented in a way that every officer knew the law. I understand there was no seat belt law before and that this new law was just implemented. Your case of potential danger was surly not a priority before as there was no seat belt law. So your premise of all these people flying around in the air is unfounded.

Still to much we don't know
 
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