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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Ok. Still believe we don't know the entire story. The justice department should investigate.
    With this case, we have no idea what happened. And by now you would think they would release some findings, they have yet to release the autopsy results. We really know nothing, zip zero, nada and we should.

    The justice department should not investigate. Let the local authorities do their job.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    If Gray was in a seat-built or not he could still bang his head against the van. You suggest an officer should have put his head in a headlock and hold him down the moment he entered the van until he was removed. That's never going to fly. Officers can only do so much, if a person is hell bent on hurting himself there is really not that much thy can do. Hell people kill themselves in jails all the time, under lock down and under watch, but they still commit suicide.

    If Procedures, if procedures, seem you can procedure, procedure, procedure and still a procedure is not going to stop a person wanting to hurt themselves, no one can predict what a person is going to do, and when they do it, how much is an officer supposed to do, or is made to do? It's all subjective.
    Sorry, but the police are in the business of transporting prisoners daily/hourly. You're telling me that any time a prisoner is transported, their life is potentially in danger because they don't have to be properly secured before the vehicle takes off? A 180lb man flying around the back of a van sounds pretty dangerous to anyone else in the back of that fan if the driver hits a bump, swerves, avoids a collision, etc. It's why it's against the law to have children in a vehicle without properly securing them. In an accident, a free body becomes a weapon of destruction.

    I'm not buying that transporting prisoners is nothing more than a crap shoot - some make it, some don't.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    With this case, we have no idea what happened. And by now you would think they would release some findings, they have yet to release the autopsy results. We really know nothing, zip zero, nada and we should.

    The justice department should not investigate. Let the local authorities do their job.
    That would be ideal, if the locals could be trusted.

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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    It certainly is relevant, as the officers failed to report it and it would not have come to light were it not on film. And we have the word of a man in custody, who could not see Freddy, as to what was happening?
    No it isn't relevant.
    That stop happened before the other passenger was in the van.
    Follow the sequence of events and the supposed Coroner's findings.
    It was only after the other passenger was in the van that pertinent event happened.



    And the "Officers" have nothing to do with it and they wouldn't report it.
    It was the transport Officer.
    The van wasn't speeding, stopping suddenly or being driven erratically. So it isn't like he was being tossed about.
    Under such conditions it is more than logical to assume the noises you here would be someone trying to injure themselves or even escape.

    Or have not seen arrestees banging their heads and kicking against widows, walls, and even tables? That is normal behavior.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry, but the police are in the business of transporting prisoners daily/hourly. You're telling me that any time a prisoner is transported, their life is potentially in danger because they don't have to be properly secured before the vehicle takes off? A 180lb man flying around the back of a van sounds pretty dangerous to anyone else in the back of that fan if the driver hits a bump, swerves, avoids a collision, etc. It's why it's against the law to have children in a vehicle without properly securing them. In an accident, a free body becomes a weapon of destruction.

    I'm not buying that transporting prisoners is nothing more than a crap shoot - some make it, some don't.
    There is no seat belt law for buses, there is no seat belt for motorcycles and other forms of transportation. If your putting your whole premise that the officers were supposed to belt him in. Where is the law and was the law implemented in a way that every officer knew the law. I understand there was no seat belt law before and that this new law was just implemented. Your case of potential danger was surly not a priority before as there was no seat belt law. So your premise of all these people flying around in the air is unfounded.

    Still to much we don't know
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    That would be ideal, if the locals could be trusted.
    At this point we have to let them do their job and we'll see.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Just giving you a taste of your own medicine
    You're delusional if you think that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Remember, you were the guy saying that Zimmerman's wife had done nothing illegal, which turned out to be completely wrong, so you have a history of jumping to conclusions. Not surprised that you're doing it again here.
    1. Irrelevant to this argument.
    2. Wrong. Her not fighting the bogus set up does not mean I was wrong. Funny that you do not know that.
    3. So your further claims are as irrelevant as they are wrong.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    At this point we have to let them do their job and we'll see.
    Don't have a choice, right? Just read an NYT article about the long time dark practice of "rough riding" suspects to the station.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Gawd, why do people constantly not pay attention?
    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Don't have a choice, right? Just read an NYT article about the long time dark practice of "rough riding" suspects to the station.


    Again:
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
    Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News

    You do realize that evidence makes the above "rough riding" supposition irrelevant, as the van was operated normally.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

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    Gawd, why do people constantly not pay attention?

    Again:
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
    Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News

    You do realize that evidence makes the above "rough riding" supposition irrelevant, as the van was operated normally.
    Not sure why we should believe either the police or the other man is this case.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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