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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    And he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, a violation of rules. Also, there is evidence of a stop that was not reported by the transporting officers. Definitely bears further scrutiny.
    That stop occurred prior to the other arrestee being loaded into the van.
    As such it has no bearing on the other relevant info.

    Seatbelt.
    Yes it is a policy violation, not a violation of the law.
    As they already stated, is was done out of safety concerns for the Officer.
    Whether or not that makes the transport Officer culpable remains to be seen.

    But as Freddy was apparently trying to injure himself, he succeeded.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Where are you getting "just before they arrived at their destination" from. What you quoted never had anything about Gray suddenly stopping or ceasing at any point, it indicates that he continuously was banging around throughout the entirety of the time.
    If you are trying to nit pick between the differences of "just before" vs "just as" they arrived. Stop, I meant it as reported. If not, read on.

    1. You are arguing nonsense given what the other arrestee has said as well as the reported information that has been made available to us.

    2. You apparently did not read the link I provided.
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station.

    You do know what the word until means right?

    That is an indication of the point that Gray's activity stopped as stated by the other passenger.

    Now if you had bothered to read the other accounts of what happened that would also be the destination where they eventually opened the door to find him down.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    If you are trying to nit pick between the differences of "just before" vs "just as" they arrived. Stop, I meant it as reported. If not, read on.

    1. You are arguing nonsense given what the other arrestee has said as well as the reported information that has been made available to us.

    2. You apparently did not read the link I provided.
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station.

    You do know what the word until means right?

    That is an indication of the point that Gray's activity stopped.

    Now if you had bothered to read the other accounts of what happened that is when they opened the door to find him down.
    It's not really clear.

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    "Up until" is used in the same way, I usually hear something like "She cried up until the movie started" which means "Her crying didn't end when the movie started."

    What I'm going to do it wait until the investigation is complete. Everybody has a picture they want to see and will mash the puzzle pieces together hoping to get that picture. It's obvious that you're doing just that. You could be right or you could be wrong, but there are missing pieces to this puzzle, contradicting pieces, and you no amount of cognitive dissonance will erase that. Your problem here is convoluted thinking and personal bias, that much is obvious. I feel bad for you.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Personally, if this report is accurate, and it is definitively the cause of Mr. Gray's injuries and demise, I think there's a good chance someone in authority in that police van is going to be facing charges of reckless endangerment or some other charge fitting the severity of the negligence that led to Mr. Gray hitting his head on the back of the van.

    When the police take you into custody, it is their responsibility to secure and protect you in transport and during your time in custody.

    If procedures weren't followed and a man died because of it, consequences have to be result.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    but there are missing pieces to this puzzle, contradicting pieces, and you no amount of cognitive dissonance will erase that. Your problem here is convoluted thinking and personal bias, that much is obvious. I feel bad for you.
    You clearly do not understand "up until".
    Nor have you shown any piece to be missing.

    You need to feel bad for yourself as the things you mentioned are only being displayed by you.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    And he wasn't wearing a seatbelt, a violation of rules. Also, there is evidence of a stop that was not reported by the transporting officers. Definitely bears further scrutiny.
    The seat-belt issue is debatable as the new order was just released and it is not known that the officers we aware of it.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    The seat-belt issue is debatable as the new order was just released and it is not known that the officers we aware of it.
    Ok. Still believe we don't know the entire story. The justice department should investigate.

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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That stop occurred prior to the other arrestee being loaded into the van.
    As such it has no bearing on the other relevant info.

    Seatbelt.
    Yes it is a policy violation, not a violation of the law.
    As they already stated, is was done out of safety concerns for the Officer.
    Whether or not that makes the transport Officer culpable remains to be seen.

    But as Freddy was apparently trying to injure himself, he succeeded.
    It certainly is relevant, as the officers failed to report it and it would not have come to light were it not on film. And we have the word of a man in custody, who could not see Freddy, as to what was happening?

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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, if this report is accurate, and it is definitively the cause of Mr. Gray's injuries and demise, I think there's a good chance someone in authority in that police van is going to be facing charges of reckless endangerment or some other charge fitting the severity of the negligence that led to Mr. Gray hitting his head on the back of the van.

    When the police take you into custody, it is their responsibility to secure and protect you in transport and during your time in custody.

    If procedures weren't followed and a man died because of it, consequences have to be result.
    If Gray was in a seat-built or not he could still bang his head against the van. You suggest an officer should have put his head in a headlock and hold him down the moment he entered the van until he was removed. That's never going to fly. Officers can only do so much, if a person is hell bent on hurting himself there is really not that much thy can do. Hell people kill themselves in jails all the time, under lock down and under watch, but they still commit suicide.

    If Procedures, if procedures, seem you can procedure, procedure, procedure and still a procedure is not going to stop a person wanting to hurt themselves, no one can predict what a person is going to do, and when they do it, how much is an officer supposed to do, or is made to do? It's all subjective.
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    Re: Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport v

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You clearly do not understand "up until".
    Nor have you shown any piece to be missing.

    You need to feel bad for yourself as the things you mentioned are only being displayed by you.
    Just giving you a taste of your own medicine for my enjoyment, but you're delusional if you think you are the only person alive who knows with certainty what happened. My inclination is that his death was largely an accident caused in part by the police not following updated procedure. But I will continue to wait until the investigation is complete until I make up my mind, you are free to jump to the conclusion you want. Remember, you were the guy saying that Zimmerman's wife had done nothing illegal, which turned out to be completely wrong, so you have a history of jumping to conclusions. Not surprised that you're doing it again here.
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