Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

Excon · Jul 10, 2015

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Excon has this disease where he cries himself to sleep every night he doesn't get the last word.

You are only speaking of yourself.

Objective Voice said:
The discussion's come full-circle with no new revelations

Again, his interview supposedly being on video and how he supposedly characterized what he heard ("mad man") is new.

Objective Voice · Jul 10, 2015

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Excon said:
Again, his interview supposedly being on video and how he supposedly characterized what he heard ("mad man") is new.

When the alleged video is finally aired, I'll consider it. Until then, it's speculation and hearsay regardless of how things were (re)characterized absent of this alleged new evidence.

Excon · Jul 13, 2015

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Objective Voice said:
Excon said:

Again, his interview supposedly being on video and how he supposedly characterized what he heard ("mad man") is new.

Click to expand...

When the alleged video is finally aired, I'll consider it.

:naughty
Oy vey! Not the point at all.
You said there was nothing "New", which is a patently false statement.

Again.

His interview supposedly having been videoed is "New" information.
His characterization of what Freddie's actions sounded like, a "mad man", is also "New".

Objective Voice said:
Until then, it's speculation and hearsay regardless of how things were (re)characterized absent of this alleged new evidence.

:doh
While this new information being reported is hearsay, it is not "speculation".

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 14, 2015

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Excon said:
:doh
While this new information being reported is hearsay, it is not "speculation".

hear·say
ˈhirˌsā/
noun
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

Doh! sums it up nicely.

How are you not in a permanent state of embarrassment, stepping in it as often as you do?

Objective Voice · Jul 14, 2015

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Excon said:
:naughty
Oy vey! Not the point at all.
You said there was nothing "New", which is a patently false statement.

:lamo

Excon,

What's new about reporting that a video may or may not exist? All we have here is speculation and nothing more. The something new would be confirmation not only that such a video does exist BUT that someone with a high degree of credibility substantiating that the formerly undisclosed information is highly relevant to this case. Until that happens, there's nothing new to see here.

Again.

His interview supposedly having been videoed is "New" information.
His characterization of what Freddie's actions sounded like, a "mad man", is also "New".

:doh Key word: supposedly...

Until supposedly turns to actual, there's nothing new here except speculation.

:doh
While this new information being reported is hearsay, it is not "speculation".

It is speculation because those purporting to have seen a video where an ear-witness claims that Gray sounded like a "mad man", no one has yet to come forward airing the alleged video. However, if such a video does exist we'll all know about it soon enough...at trial.

Excon · Jul 15, 2015

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
hear·say
ˈhirˌsā/
noun
information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.

Doh! sums it up nicely.

How are you not in a permanent state of embarrassment, stepping in it as often as you do?

:lamo

Yes, doh! sums up your reply quite nicely as it has nothing to do with the information not being "speculation".
:doh
But way to step in it again. :thumbs:

The new information is only hearsay as it hasn't been substantiated ... yet.
Emphasis on "yet", as it will be able to be substantiated one way or the other once released.
Such leaks are seldomly found out to be false.

So try discussing the reported information.

Excon · Jul 15, 2015

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:laughat:

Objective Voice said:
What's new about reporting that a video may or may not exist? All we have here is speculation and nothing more.

:doh
It is not a report about a video that may or may not exist.
It is a report about a video that is purported to exist. That is a distinction that matters and is new information.

A source close to the case asserting that a video exists, is not speculation. Your assertion of speculation in regards to that is wrong, so you can stop with that silliness.

:laughat:

Objective Voice said:
The something new would be confirmation not only that such a video does exist BUT that someone with a high degree of credibility substantiating that the formerly undisclosed information is highly relevant to this case. Until that happens, there's nothing new to see here.

It is speculation because those purporting to have seen a video where an ear-witness claims that Gray sounded like a "mad man", no one has yet to come forward airing the alleged video. However, if such a video does exist we'll all know about it soon enough...at trial.

Double doh! :doh :doh

Wrong.

Apparently you also choose not to acknowledge why it was reported in the first place, which is because it was new information. Duh!

Again.

His interview supposedly having been videoed is "New" information.
His characterization of what Freddie's actions sounded like, a "mad man", is also "New".

As was reported.

"A source close to the case telling us, there is actual videotape of Donta Allen telling police that Freddie Gray was repeatedly banging his head against the van. That he sounded like a madman."

And yes we will eventually find out the validity of this assertion, quite possibly before there is a trial if the Prosecutor stops trying to prevent it's release, but it is not often that such leaks turn out to be false. Which in no way changes the fact that what was reported was "new" information.

Here is some more "new" information regarding prosecutor Mosby.

Judge-shopping' alleged in Freddie Gray case

Defense attorneys for the officers charged in the arrest and death of Freddie Gray are accusing prosecutors of misconduct by "judge-shopping" to get a search warrant approved.

Three days later, an officer writes in the memo, a prosecutor called and said he or she had found a judge who had agreed to sign the warrants.

It's not clear what, if anything, investigators found on their phones.

The defense attorneys say taking a search warrant application that has been denied to another judge is improper. They want a hearing to determine whether any evidence obtained in the search should be suppressed.

'Judge-shopping' alleged in Freddie Gray case - Chicago Tribune

EXCLUSIVE: Marilyn Mosby's police officer family members used cocaine, fired from force

WASHINGTON - Marilyn Mosby, the Baltimore City State’s Attorney, catapulted to national fame when she decided in early May to prosecute six police officers for the death of Freddie Gray. In her remarks, Mosby used her family of Boston police officers as a shield against critics who said she could not fairly prosecute the case.

“To the rank-and-file officers of the Baltimore City Police Department, please know that these accusations of these six officers are not an indictment on the entire force,” said Mosby. “I come from five generations of law enforcement. My father was an officer. My mother was an officer. Several of my aunts and uncles.”

Sources told me to look into Mosby’s family’s personnel records at the Boston Police Department. Two months ago, I put in Public Records Law request for personnel records for Mosby's mother and two uncles.

EXCLUSIVE: Marilyn Mosby's police officer family members used co - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG

Objective Voice · Jul 15, 2015

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Excon said:
:laughat::doh
It is not a report about a video that may or may not exist.
It is a report about a video that is purported to exist. That is a distinction that matters and is new information.

A source close to the case asserting that a video exists, is not speculation. Your assertion of speculation in regards to that is wrong, so you can stop with that silliness.

Oh, Excon...you're playing word games here. I mean, one minute it's hearsay, next minute it's purported. Very well...

purport - verb (used with object)

1. to present, especially deliberately, the appearance of being; profess or claim, often falsely:
a document purporting to be official.

2. to convey to the mind as the meaning or thing intended; express or imply.

Excon said:
Apparently you also choose not to acknowledge why it was reported in the first place, which is because it was new information.

Of course I choose not to acknowledge the existence of this alleged video as "new" information. Because as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist!

And yes we will eventually find out the validity of this assertion, quite possibly before there is a trial if the Prosecutor stops trying to prevent it's release, but it is not often that such leaks turn out to be false. Which in no way changes the fact that what was reported was "new" information.

I hope the video turns out to be real, too. Just so you can fully save face here. But until it's either aired to the public or is shown exclusive to a jury, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.

Here is some more "new" information regarding prosecutor Mosby.

I really don't care about Mrs. Mosby. But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy because it give you reason to continue playing politics with this matter, go ahead a post a full spread about her and her family. Makes no nevermind to me. :shrug:

Excon · Jul 15, 2015

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Objective Voice said:
Oh, Excon...you're playing word games here.

No, that is what you are doing, all in an attempt to be dismissive in support of your false argument.
That doesn't fly.

Objective Voice said:
I mean, one minute it's hearsay, next minute it's purported. Very well...

See, a lame word game you are playing.
My use does not indicate or purport "falsely".

Objective Voice said:
Of course I choose not to acknowledge the existence of this alleged video as "new" information. Because as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist!

And you continue playing games. Figures.
Not what I said at all.

The assertion that it exists is new information. Period.
What is purported to exist in it is also new information.
You simply choose not to recognize that in your lame attempt at dishonest deflection.

Objective Voice said:
I hope the video turns out to be real, too. Just so you can fully save face here. But until it's either aired to the public or is shown exclusive to a jury, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.

:doh:lamo:doh
This is you again not paying attention to what has been said.
At no point did I say it definitely exists. So there would be no need at saving face. You on the other hand can't save face (for multiple reasons, but in this instance) becasue you deny that the reported information is not new when it is.

Objective Voice said:
Here is some more "new" information regarding prosecutor Mosby.

Click to expand...

I really don't care about Mrs. Mosby. But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy because it give you reason to continue playing politics with this matter, go ahead a post a full spread about her and her family. Makes no nevermind to me. :shrug:

Lame. :doh

Did I provided the information just to you or was it separated from my reply and provided to all? Let me answer that for you since you are again not paying attention.
It was separated from the reply to you and provided for all.

As for it makes no never mind to you? I care not. You saying such just exposes your bias in regards to this case, as Mosby's alleged malfeasance is an issue (before the court), just as her past words indicates a willingness to engage in dishonest behavior. Saying you do not care about the possible malfeasance of the Prosecutor's pursuit of this case is ignoring reality.

Objective Voice · Jul 15, 2015

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Excon said:
No, that is what you are doing, all in an attempt to be dismissive in support of your false argument.
That doesn't fly.

And what false argument would that be? The fact that the video hasn't been proven to exist or that the reason the so-called 'news' of this video was leaked was to gain support for the defense's claim that Gray was "banging his head on the wall of the van like a mad man?" Frankly, I haven't made an argument either way. I'm merely of the opinion that reporting the existence of such a video 3rd-party without said video ever being aired or shown to a jury is equivalent to no video ever existing. That's not news to me. That's the defense stoking the fires for their defense in the court of public opinion instead of before a trial court.

See, a lame word game you are playing.
My use does not indicate or purport "falsely".

I don't care what you claim your use of any given word means. Webster's trumps your definition any day of the week. :lamo

And you continue playing games. Figures.
Not what I said at all.

Alright...very, well...I choose not to acknowledge why this so-called "new information" was reported because in my opinion "non-verifiable information is akin to no information at all" regardless of the reason why said 'new information' was released in the first place. Happy now?

The assertion that it exists is new information. Period.

assertion - noun

1. a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason:

This playing word-smith is fun.

What is purported to exist in it is also new information.
You simply choose not to recognize that in your lame attempt at dishonest deflection.

:lamo I'm being dishonest and deflection? This is rich!! :lamo

At no point did I say it definitely exists. So there would be no need at saving face. You on the other hand can't save face (for multiple reasons, but in this instance) because you deny that the reported information is not new when it is.

Very well...I'll feed your ego. :roll: Because it was never previously reported that a video possibly exists of Mr. Gray "banging his head against the wall of the van like a mad man," it is new information for the sake of media reporting. But as far as I'm concerned, unless the video is aired to the public or a jury, this 'new information' is bogus information. When it is confirmed by competent legal authority OR reliable media authority, then and ONLY then will I believe in its existence and consider said previously leaked information of this video's existence truly as "new information".

As to the rest, if you truly believed your malfeasance claim you would have stopped at posting about the judge-shopping. Instead, you included the storyline about Mosby's family. So, whose really being bias here?

Excon · Jul 16, 2015

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Objective Voice said:
And what false argument would that be?

How many times does it have to be stated and in how many different ways?
Your claim that the information reported wasn't new is a false claim, as the report that a video supposedly exists and what it supposedly contains was new.

Objective Voice said:
The fact that the video hasn't been proven to exist or that the reason the so-called 'news' of this video was leaked was to gain support for the defense's claim that Gray was "banging his head on the wall of the van like a mad man?" Frankly, I haven't made an argument either way. I'm merely of the opinion that reporting the existence of such a video 3rd-party without said video ever being aired or shown to a jury is equivalent to no video ever existing. That's not news to me. That's the defense stoking the fires for their defense in the court of public opinion instead of before a trial court.

This is nothing more than you playing a game to deflect from your being wrong.
The reported information was new. Nowhere had it been revealed before.
Which has nothing to do with the validity of the report. The information reported was new. Period.
Your claim that it wasn't is false. Your continued deflection and now attempt to change the goal posts to it's validity is lame, as the report was new information.

Excon · Jul 16, 2015

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Objective Voice said:
I don't care what you claim your use of any given word means. Webster's trumps your definition any day of the week.

1. This is an absurdly lame argument and fails on several fronts.
2. Your reply is nothing more than playing a game.
3. It is deflection.
4. Your reply shows dishonesty to a great degree.
5. Your reply ignores the reality of the situation and context.

Webster's huh?
You didn't use Webster's.
1. The definition you provided is verbatim from Dictionary dot com.
2. The word "often" does not mean always. Do you understand that, or are you perhaps just not paying attention again?
3. As there is more than one possible meaning, what is intended by the speaker is far more relevant than what you think. And as you were told that "falsely" was not intended or implied, your further assertions otherwise is truly indicative of someone who is just playing a dishonest game.
4. Unless explicit to the sentence, a definition that contains more than one meaning, can not dictate how one used the word. Saying otherwise is extremely ignorant.

Excon · Jul 16, 2015

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Objective Voice said:
Alright...very, well...I choose not to acknowledge why this so-called "new information" was reported because in my opinion "non-verifiable information is akin to no information at all" regardless of the reason why said 'new information' was released in the first place. Happy now?

Oh Gawd!
This is deflection from your original claim and irrelevant to it.
It was new information. Again the validity has nothing to do with whether it is new or not.

Objective Voice said:
This playing word-smith is fun.

Just showing that you are playing a game and ignoring reality.
Again; The word "often" does not mean always. No one should have to explain that to you.

Objective Voice said:
I'm being dishonest and deflection? This is rich!!

Yes. Laugh all you want, the dishonesty and deflection you engaged in is there for all to see.

Objective Voice said:
Very well...I'll feed your ego. Because it was never previously reported that a video possibly exists of Mr. Gray "banging his head against the wall of the van like a mad man," it is new information for the sake of media reporting.

Admitting to reality is not feeding any ego.
Funny you think it is. Hell, it is hilarious that you think I have one that needs to be fed in the first place. :lamo

Objective Voice said:
But as far as I'm concerned, unless the video is aired to the public or a jury, this 'new information' is bogus information. When it is confirmed by competent legal authority OR reliable media authority, then and ONLY then will I believe in its existence and consider said previously leaked information of this video's existence truly as "new information".

This is a separate argument from the fact that it was new information. And as already pointed out, such leaks are seldomly found out to be false.

Objective Voice said:
As to the rest, if you truly believed your malfeasance claim you would have stopped at posting about the judge-shopping. Instead, you included the storyline about Mosby's family. So, whose really being bias here?

Again, you were.
And no, it is not about her family but about showing her claim in regards to the family as being dishonest.
Or do you not realize that is why the article quoted her claim?

And as I pointed out, it is a demonstration and further confirmation of her willingness to engage in dishonest behavior. That ties it in with the supposed dishonesty of Judge shopping.

Excon · Jul 21, 2015

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New information regarding Mosby's motion to suppress the release of evidence.

The Judge denied it without a Hearing. :lamo
And then her lame concern was figuratively slapped. (the underlined)

Request for protective order in Freddie Gray case denied

A judge has denied the request of State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby to keep attorneys in the Freddie Case from publicizing evidence before the trial.

[...]

Mosby said she was concerned that the defense attorneys would leak only evidence that supported their clients' defense, jeopardizing the ability to conduct a fair trial.

[...]

In a ruling issued Monday, Judge Barry G. Williams rejected Mosby's request without a hearing. He wrote that the state "does not suggest there is anything in discovery that warrants restricting disclosure."

"The Court notes that discovery was turned over on June 26, 2015, and as of this date, the court is not aware of the dissemination of any discovery information by Defendants," Williams wrote. "The only discovery item that has become public as of this date has been information from the autopsy report, and at the time of the alleged disclosure, the report had not been turned over to Defendants."

Williams concluded that "there simply is no basis in the assertions presented to the court for the broad and extraordinary relief sought in the motion."

[...]

Request for protective order in Freddie Gray case denied

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 21, 2015

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Excon said:
New information regarding Mosby's motion to suppress the release of evidence.

The Judge denied it without a Hearing. :lamo
And then her lame concern was figuratively slapped. (the underlined)

Request for protective order in Freddie Gray case denied

A judge has denied the request of State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby to keep attorneys in the Freddie Case from publicizing evidence before the trial.

[...]

Mosby said she was concerned that the defense attorneys would leak only evidence that supported their clients' defense, jeopardizing the ability to conduct a fair trial.

[...]

In a ruling issued Monday, Judge Barry G. Williams rejected Mosby's request without a hearing. He wrote that the state "does not suggest there is anything in discovery that warrants restricting disclosure."

"The Court notes that discovery was turned over on June 26, 2015, and as of this date, the court is not aware of the dissemination of any discovery information by Defendants," Williams wrote. "The only discovery item that has become public as of this date has been information from the autopsy report, and at the time of the alleged disclosure, the report had not been turned over to Defendants."

Williams concluded that "there simply is no basis in the assertions presented to the court for the broad and extraordinary relief sought in the motion."

[...]

Request for protective order in Freddie Gray case denied

So, if there was a video suggesting Gray hurt himself, the defense has had the ability to leak it since June 26th, thus influencing public opinion an possibly tainting a jury pool to have preconceived notions about the case that are favorable to the defendants.

I wonder why they haven't.

WSUwarrior · Jul 21, 2015

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1. Not guilty.
2. Not guilty.
3. Not guilty.
4. Not guilty.
5. Not guilty.
6. Not guilty.

Get the National Guard ready.

Excon · Jul 22, 2015

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
So, if there was a video suggesting Gray hurt himself, the defense has had the ability to leak it since June 26th, thus influencing public opinion an possibly tainting a jury pool to have preconceived notions about the case that are favorable to the defendants.

I wonder why they haven't.

:doh
What you wonder is irrelevant.
But we can speculate that they didn't want to lend any support the Prosecutors lame argument, or run afoul of the Judge who was considering the Prosecutors motion.

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 22, 2015

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Excon said:
:doh
What you wonder is irrelevant.
But we can speculate that they didn't want to lend any support the Prosecutors lame argument, or run afoul of the Judge who was considering the Prosecutors motion.

.. the motion that was basically laughed out of court? That motion?

And how would leaking such an alleged slam dunk led support to the prosecution? Whatever it is would have to be awful flimy to support thr prosecution, wouldn't it? Or, at the very least, not a slam dunk.

Man, this looks worse and worse for your argument with each passing minute.

Excon · Jul 22, 2015

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You are showing your ignorance on how the system works. Nothing I said was wrong. Those are valid reasons, and the ones that are most likely as to why they did not release anything.

If you think a lawyer is going to release something while the Judge is considering whether to authorize or prevent the release, you are fooling yourself.

Slam dunk? :doh You forming straw man arguments doesn't help your ignorance of the system either.

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 22, 2015

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Excon said:
You are showing your ignorance on how the system works. Nothing I said was wrong. Those are valid reasons, and the ones that are most likely as to why they did not release anything.

If you think a lawyer is going to release something while the Judge is considering whether to authorize or prevent the release, you are fooling yourself.

Slam dunk? :doh You forming straw man arguments doesn't help your ignorance of the system either.

Read back a few posts and notice yourself saying the prosecution was trying to control the narrative... yet the defense has had almost a month in which to do the very thing you claim the prosecution was barring them from doing. And that doesn't even address the fact that a leak would accomplish the same thing; it wouldn't even have to be a press release by the defense.

It's fun to watch you backpedal. I mean, you're just so bad at it, but you do it anyway. Such heart. You're like Rudy up in here - you really, really should quit, but you wont, no matter how beat up you get.

Excon · Jul 22, 2015

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:laughat:

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Read back a few posts and notice yourself saying the prosecution was trying to control the narrative... yet the defense has had almost a month in which to do the very thing you claim the prosecution was barring them from doing. And that doesn't even address the fact that a leak would accomplish the same thing; it wouldn't even have to be a press release by the defense.

It's fun to watch you backpedal. I mean, you're just so bad at it, but you do it anyway. Such heart. You're like Rudy up in here - you really, really should quit, but you wont, no matter how beat up you get.

:lamo
Wow!
You clearly have no clue as to what you speak. It is either that or deliberate dishonesty.
There has been no back peddling.

Explain your thoughts.

Just how in the world does the Prosecutor who has tried to control the narrative by trying to suppress the release of all the information (while leaking the autopsy) have anything to do with the Defense not releasing anything?
Let me answer that for you; It doesn't.

You previously wondered why they hadn't. And as I stated, your wonderment is actually irrelevant.

I then said we could speculate why and gave possible and likely reasons.

Counsel doesn't usually go around releasing information unless they are allowed.
Be able and being allowed are two different things.
So again, as Counsel you do not want to go around releasing evidence while the Judge is considering a motion to suppress it.
It is just not something that is done.

So explain your thoughts and tell me just how this is backpedaling and just how you think the Prosecutor trying to control the narrative by releasing the autopsy and then trying to suppress the rest of the evidence from being released is even comparable to the defense not releasing anything while a Judge is considering the motion to suppress?

I am sure you can't, but give it a try, I want to see this convoluted mess you are thinking put down in writing.

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 22, 2015

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Excon said:
:laughat::lamo
Wow!
You clearly have no clue as to what you speak. It is either that or deliberate dishonesty.
There has been no back peddling.

Explain your thoughts.

Just how in the world does the Prosecutor who has tried to control the narrative by trying to suppress the release of all the information (while leaking the autopsy) have anything to do with the Defense not releasing anything?
Let me answer that for you; It doesn't.

You previously wondered why they hadn't. And as I stated, your wonderment is actually irrelevant.

I then said we could speculate why and gave possible and likely reasons.

Counsel doesn't usually go around releasing information unless they are allowed.
Be able and being allowed are two different things.
So again, as Counsel you do not want to go around releasing evidence while the Judge is considering a motion to suppress it.
It is just not something that is done.

So explain your thoughts and tell me just how this is backpedaling and just how you think the Prosecutor trying to control the narrative by releasing the autopsy and then trying to suppress the rest of the evidence from being released is even comparable to the defense not releasing anything while a Judge is considering the motion to suppress?

I am sure you can't, but give it a try, I want to see this convoluted mess you are thinking put down in writing.

Hey man, they were your words. When the logic is followed through, suddenly you try to disown them, the very words that just used to express your thoughts.

I see you're back doin that thing where it doesn't notify me when you quote me. Still scared, I guess.

Excon · Jul 23, 2015

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Hey man, they were your words. When the logic is followed through, suddenly you try to disown them, the very words that just used to express your thoughts.

:doh
Yep. As I thought. Nothing but dishonesty.
You can't back up what you say even after being asked to explain.

While dishonesty seems to be your bag, just stop. It gets you nowhere.

Gonzo Rodeo · Jul 23, 2015

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Excon said:
:doh
Yep. As I thought. Nothing but dishonesty.
You can't back up what you say even after being asked to explain.

While dishonesty seems to be your bag, just stop. It gets you nowhere.

Still doing that trick where the quotes don't notify, I see. Not even acknowledging it when someone calls you out. Must be terrifying, knowing someone might respond.

Excon · Jul 23, 2015

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Still doing that trick where the quotes don't notify, I see. Not even acknowledging it when someone calls you out. Must be terrifying, knowing someone might respond.

Yet you are responding. :doh
Clearly I know you look at your subscriptions. So gee, your alleged reason you attribute to me for whatever is asinine. :doh

So lets get back to the last on topic response that you can't back up even after being asked to explain.

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