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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Former Detective Sues Baltimore Police Department and Commissioner, Alleging Retaliation From Colleagues For Testifying About Police Abuse
    PoliticsUSBy: Annabelle Bamforth Dec 29, 2014 17

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2077632
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Former Detective Sues Baltimore Police Department and Commissioner, Alleging Retaliation From Colleagues For Testifying About Police Abuse
    PoliticsUSBy: Annabelle Bamforth Dec 29, 2014 17

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2077632
    Watch, the guy arrested along with Freddy, who now has become the star witness for the apologists, will suggest this detective is just a disgruntled former employee, and as such has no credibility, lol.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No.
    You haven't refuted anything.
    Again there may be a justifiable reason for not seat belting him
    And not doing so does not automatically mean they are responsible for his injuries.
    And they did get him medical attention fast enough once they knew he was actually injured.
    For not following protocol that endangers the life of the restrained suspect? Hmmm, maybe. But it seems to me like they didn't really want to. I mean, they got leg irons on him; so they were able to control him well enough to bind him. They just broke protocol and didn't properly restrain him, allowing the events to unfurl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No. GPS is not going to tell you if they were swerving or not or hitting every bump and pot-hole.
    The only thing you are going to get from GPS is position which may allow them to calculate speed.
    But that time line is already online. Link
    So we have a witness who says the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically".
    So unless there is something else that is what we go with.
    Yes, GPS can calculate speed, acceleration, and path. It may not show ever little bump, but it can show the path taken and the speeds traveled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your analysis is after the fact.
    Again, they may have had a reason for not following protocol.
    Being what? To risk the life of the suspect, it would have to be a damned good reason.

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    No. Because it is reported that he went silent when they arrived. So it would have happened on his last thrash.


    That is an assumption.
    Hmm, yes. All the way to he was kicking and screaming. And there is no assumption, nothing that is presented as of yet exonerates the police. That's a fact.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The police in the US kill around a hundred times more people per capita than in any other developed nation on Earth

    U.S. Cops Kill at 100 Times the Rate of Other Capitalist Countries | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    They are not averse to fiddling those appalling figures either

    Police killed more than twice as many people as reported by US government | US news | The Guardian

    I'd call that 'wrong doing'
    And again, you are speaking biased bs. That does not indicate wrong doing.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Riot away then.....

    Unreal.
    That riot started because the city & police shut down the subway & buses, they even ordered high school kids off of some buses. So lets stop these kids from getting home & confront them in police riot gear. I wonder what would happen, a riot maybe?

    Also, you wont see it on Fox News, but the cops were throwing rocks at the people also.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Who's advocating rioting? Every time this happens, those of us that want to see police abuse, corruption and excess cleaned up, (which I'm permanently amazed that it's not everybody) the point is also made that rioting and looting is the ultimate stupidity, is counter productive, and moves the focus away from the police abuse, and onto the rioting. Nevertheless, we must remain focused on police abuse.
    You can't be serious.

    Those who continue to perpetuate this false narrative of disproportionate Police brutality against Black men and who demand " justice " KNOW that the there is a huge potential for these communities to explode in violence.

    That includes the President and Democrats.

    Its surreal. After the damage is done, and while the law abiding citizens of these communities have to pick up the pieces from the STUPIDITY the Obama administration sends out a set of rules to Police Officers on how not to be a racist.

    Its bizzaro world. There's nothing said about what really led these communities to explode in violence. Nothing is done to address the poverty and crime. The Police are blamed ( whether they did anything or not ) and its on to the next inner city who's thanks to the idiot " hands up dont shoot " crowd one false allegation of Police brutality away from a riot.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well gawd damn, and Ex sure does love that licence, the rest (that would be rational Americans) want to see reform to the STUPID law then. One way or another, we will prevail, and the police will be held accountable to their departments code of conduct.
    There you go speaking that nonsense again.
    And no, rational Americans do not go around making false claims of abuse and jumping to conclusions like those on your side do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's obvious that you condone police abuse.

    Now you are straight up lying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And every time it comes up, you're the out front apologist, excusing, denying, lying, twisting, ignoring, dismissing and blowing smoke!
    Yes, that is what you do to claim abuse.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again, you are speaking biased bs. That does not indicate wrong doing.
    Then what would indicate wrong doing for you I wonder, or is it just 'biased BS' to even suggest it ?

    More ....

    Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations | The Free Thought Project

    Your police forces use grossly excessive force on far too many occasions and do it with virtual impunity because people like you seem to want to cheer them on from the sidelines

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The police in the US kill around a hundred times more people per capita than in any other developed nation on Earth

    U.S. Cops Kill at 100 Times the Rate of Other Capitalist Countries | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    They are not averse to fiddling those appalling figures either

    Police killed more than twice as many people as reported by US government | US news | The Guardian

    I'd call that 'wrong doing'
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You can't be serious.

    Those who continue to perpetuate this false narrative of disproportionate Police brutality against Black men and who demand " justice " KNOW that the there is a huge potential for these communities to explode in violence.

    That includes the President and Democrats.

    Its surreal. After the damage is done, and while the law abiding citizens of these communities have to pick up the pieces from the STUPIDITY the Obama administration sends out a set of rules to Police Officers on how not to be a racist.

    Its bizzaro world. There's nothing said about what really led these communities to explode in violence. Nothing is done to address the poverty and crime. The Police are blamed ( whether they did anything or not ) and its on to the next inner city who's thanks to the idiot " hands up dont shoot " crowd one false allegation of Police brutality away from a riot.
    To the bolded, who the **** said anything about that. Any police brutality is unacceptable to reasonable (the important part) Americans. Police brutality CANNOT BE PROPORTIONAL. Now, stop apologising for what the baltimore police chief himself has acknowledged.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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