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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They have ??

    In Baltimore ? That didn't look like protesting to me. And protesting over what exactly ?

    A assumption ? A guess ?

    Here's the issue. " Police brutality " or the assumptuon of Polive brutality is the least of the problems in Cities like Baltimore.
    Like I said, if you don't know what's been going on in Baltimore for the past couple of weeks, your opinions and comments are pretty much useless.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Riot away then.....

    Unreal.
    Who's advocating rioting? Every time this happens, those of us that want to see police abuse, corruption and excess cleaned up, (which I'm permanently amazed that it's not everybody) the point is also made that rioting and looting is the ultimate stupidity, is counter productive, and moves the focus away from the police abuse, and onto the rioting. Nevertheless, we must remain focused on police abuse.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    ... this isn't a jailhouse informant ("snitch") situation at all. Jailhouse informants provide what is classified as a secondary confession (i.e., the suspect told me he did it or had information only the perpetrator of the crime would know). This is not that; this is a simple witness statement. A firsthand account of a situation is different than a secondhand retelling of a story.

    The speal about having the police giving enticements to the witness to alter his story is unsupported speculation. Let's not start diving headfirst into unsupported hypothetical scenarios - it might just cause a riot.

    I find it odd that he didn't pay attention to the fact that this was obtained by the investigators.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    ... this isn't a jailhouse informant ("snitch") situation at all. Jailhouse informants provide what is classified as a secondary confession (i.e., the suspect told me he did it or had information only the perpetrator of the crime would know). This is not that; this is a simple witness statement. A firsthand account of a situation is different than a secondhand retelling of a story.

    The speal about having the police giving enticements to the witness to alter his story is unsupported speculation. Let's not start diving headfirst into unsupported hypothetical scenarios - it might just cause a riot.
    Please clarify. Are you recognizing that the affidavit is and affidavit of a cop relaying what he claims he was told? Or do you think the affidavit is by the prisoner the cop claims told him that Gray threw himself around in the van?
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Every time this happens, those of us that want to see police abuse, corruption and excess cleaned up, (which I'm permanently amazed that it's not everybody) ...
    Nevertheless, we must remain focused on police abuse.
    The problem with this is that not everything your side points to as being abuse/etc.., is.
    Most often it is not.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I do not believe it is possible to break your own neck by slamming your head against a wall nor collapsing your own throat when handcuffed.

    There are millions of dollars, prosecutions of police, and probably lost higher-up jobs, plus riots to deal with. In short, I do not believe he broke his own neck and collapsed his own throat.

    But you tell me how a handcuffed person in the immediately presence of police could break his own neck and collapse his own throat if you want to believe that. It's as believable as claiming someone shot themselves in the back of the head 3 times. I think making this explanation is just going to piss people off even more.

    It is interesting to see how quickly two members who claim people who are arrested lie, but absolutely believe this prisoner as if the edict from God himself.
    How about in a slip and fall in the bathroom?

    (Just a quick google found this)

    Swedish man sent home with broken neck - The Local

    A Swedish man complaining of pain in his neck after a fall in his bathroom was sent home from hospital without an x-ray only to find that he was nursing a broken neck.



    So, is it possible to be flopping about in a moving vehicle, surrounded by a metal cage, and fall in a way that breaks your neck? Who knows, but if a simple fall in a bathroom can do it, it's not impossible.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Please clarify. Are you recognizing that the affidavit is and affidavit of a cop relaying what he claims he was told? Or do you think the affidavit is by the prisoner the cop claims told him that Gray threw himself around in the van?
    I think it is pretty clear that the information was from what investigators were told and was included in an affidavit for a search warrant.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wrong.
    He didn't walk into the van. Remember the lady commented that she thought his
    leg looked broken as they dragged him to the van. They must have dragged him by
    his neck, eh?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The problem with this is that not everything your side points to as being abuse/etc.., is.
    Most often it is not.
    Wtf are you talking about dude, "my side"?? Your side apologises for all police abuse. That side is an obstruction to justice, something the fringe right, hanging from the edge by their fingernails, is keen to cling to.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How about in a slip and fall in the bathroom?

    (Just a quick google found this)

    Swedish man sent home with broken neck - The Local

    A Swedish man complaining of pain in his neck after a fall in his bathroom was sent home from hospital without an x-ray only to find that he was nursing a broken neck.



    So, is it possible to be flopping about in a moving vehicle, surrounded by a metal cage, and fall in a way that breaks your neck? Who knows, but if a simple fall in a bathroom can do it, it's not impossible.
    Something is wrong with a person's position if they can not acknowledge common occurrences.
    It reeks of bias.
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