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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post

    WHAT QUOTE???


    You keep using that word like you have access to Donta Allen's words! If that is the case.... provide them.

    Otherwise, you should stop using the word "quote" since it's not the correct word for what you actually mean. You are either unintentionally using that word because you don't know what it means, or you are intentionally using it because you are lying.

    So, which is it? Are you stupid, or are you a liar?
    He can't. He's doing what he always does. Spin and lie about what was posted. He'll just keep deflecting. Somehow I think you already picked up on this however.

    Same crap different thread of excon rushing to the defense of authoritarianism.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    He can't. He's doing what he always does. Spin and lie about what was posted. He'll just keep deflecting. Somehow I think you already picked up on this however.

    Same crap different thread of excon rushing to the defense of authoritarianism.
    1. Wrong.
    He has already been address multiple times. He refuses to acknowledge it.

    2. This isn't about me, which you are wrong about as well.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    1. Wrong.
    He has already been address multiple times. He refuses to acknowledge it.

    2. This isn't about me, which you are wrong about as well.
    He asked you to quote the other prisoner. You haven't. You've quoted a cop who claims to be quoting that prisoner. You keep lying. I'm not surprised.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob​ View Post
    You keep lying. I'm not surprised.
    Knock off the personal attacks and making false claims.


    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob​ View Post
    He asked you to quote the other prisoner. You haven't. You've quoted a cop who claims to be quoting that prisoner.
    You are wrong and assuming.
    The author attributed the quote to the witness. No one else.


    But instead of paying attention to what has already been provided you choose to spout off your untruths. Figures.

    Read the OP, what is in the link, and then the following. Everything and every angle has already been addressed.
    So stop your nonsense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Excon​ View Post
    Yay!
    And around and around we go with you playing your silly game.


    Wrong. You are the one assuming here.

    I am pointing out that the author attributed the quote to the witness.
    The author did. Period. That is not an assumption, but fact.
    You can't get around that.

    What I also did was acknowledge that the author may have badly worded his report, wrongly but still attributing the quote to the witness.
    So even if you "were correct that it was only the Officer relaying what he was told, your interpretation of how it was written is still wrong."



    Based on the information in the OP, this is your assumption.
    What we had was the author attributing the quote to the witness.


    Holy ****. Still lost I see.

    We have what has been attributed to him.
    Not just what was in the affidavit, but by the Commissioner as well.
    There is no indication that his recorded statement or the information revealed from it was tainted by any reason to lie.


    Wrong.
    Especially in the light of him proffering reason why he is saying what he is now (a reason to lie | tainted).
    That makes what he has said now far more suspect.

    So lets show everybody how you like going in circles.
    Everything above had already been addressed previously.

    The most recent post that addresses all of it was made in post #544.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon​ View Post
    No. It doesn't say that at all.

    The only correct interpretation of those words, because of the actual wording, paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.

    The quotes were attributed to the witness. "His statements". Not anyone else's.
    But of course you do not want to recognize that.

    Your argument based on the information in the OP is 100% wrong, and it is you who can't get around that fact.

    It wouldn't even matter if what you say turns out to be factual correct. Based on the wording, paragraph construction and quotations, the author was attributing the quotes to the witness.
    I even acknowledged that it may have been badly written, but the attribution was still to the witness. Not anyone else.


    1. Irrelevant argument in regards to whom the author attributed the quotes.
    2. An assumption on your part which is not consistent with the way the article was written.

    And as already pointed out, an Officer's sworn statement has far more credibility that the contrary statements the witness is now making. Just another thing that you can not get around.

    [...]

    The witness made it known why he was now saying what he was. It was to protect himself and that taints his denial.
    Contrasted with what he said earlier having no reason shown that he could be making it up, one is far more believable than the other.

    Whether you realize it or not, that is a clear distinction, which has nothing to do with anyone's skin color.

    And as I previously said, "if that information is ever given to a jury they will have far more reason to trust it than anything he says now".
    Absent information to the contrary, thinking otherwise is sheer lunacy.


    But please, continue with your silly silly game.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Knock off the personal attacks and making false claims.


    You are wrong and assuming.
    The author attributed the quote to the witness. No one else.


    But instead of paying attention to what has already been provided you choose to spout off your untruths. Figures.

    Read the OP, what is in the link, and then the following. Everything and every angle has already been addressed.
    So stop your nonsense.

    So now you are lying AND playing the victim. same crap, different thread.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob​ View Post
    So now you are lying AND playing the victim. same crap, different thread.
    Wrong.
    Stop telling untruths.
    Even the prosecutor acknowledged that those were snippets of his statements.
    Address what was presented or push on.
    Last edited by Excon; 05-23-15 at 12:01 AM.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    While I have no problem with you demeaning yourself like that, you should really avoid harming your ego like that.



    I see you are talking about yourself again.

    It has already been provided.
    The author attributed the quote to the witness. No one else. "His statements" Do you not understand that?

    But of course you are still going to ignore reality. What a shame.
    Why can't you provide the quote?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    So now you are lying AND playing the victim. same crap, different thread.
    He is also doing some sort of trickery where it doesn't notify me when he quotes me. Almost as if he doesn't want me to see that it happened..... Scared, perhaps?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    Why can't you provide the quote?
    Still acting like it wasn't and refusing to address what has already been provided.
    Typical.
    Everything and every angle has already been addressed.
    So stop your silly game.

    The only problem here is htat you do not want to admit you are assuming and that the author attributed the quote to the witness.
    Again: "His statement", not anyone else's.
    Even the prosecutor has acknowledged that those were snippets of the witness's statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    He is also doing some sort of trickery where it doesn't notify me when he quotes me. Almost as if he doesn't want me to see that it happened..... Scared, perhaps?

    Given that you are responding; What a lame and illogical thing to say.
    Last edited by Excon; 05-23-15 at 11:33 AM.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Still acting like it wasn't and refusing to address what has already been provided.
    Typical.
    Everything and every angle has already been addressed.
    So stop your silly game.

    The only problem here is htat you do not want to admit you are assuming and that the author attributed the quote to the witness.
    Again: "His statement", not anyone else's.
    Even the prosecutor has acknowledged that those were snippets of the witness's statement.



    Given that you are responding; What a lame and illogical thing to say.
    It's not showing up as a notification. I don't know how you're doing it, but it's only you. I see that someone has responded to a subscribed thread, but you are doing something to make it not notify. That trick probably works in busy threads.

    This thread is pretty much dead, however, because no one else has the stomach to deal with your bull ****. You cannot provide a quote from Allen. All you have is an officer's word for it. Allen repudiated the statement. These are called facts.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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