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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

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    I am pointing out that the author attributed the quote to the witness.
    Which quote?

    What I also did was acknowledge that the author may have badly worded his report, wrongly but still attributing the quote to the witness.
    What were the words of the report? It hasn't been released. And what were the words given by Allen? Those has still not been provided.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    Which quote?



    What were the words of the report? It hasn't been released. And what were the words given by Allen? Those has still not been provided.
    Your questions have already been answered, so stop going in circles with your stupid game.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your questions have already been answered, so stop going in circles with your stupid game.
    Where? Where were they answered? You have singularly FAILED to provide any quotes from Donta Allen that corroborate what you think actually happened.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    Where? Where were they answered? You have singularly FAILED to provide any quotes from Donta Allen that corroborate what you think actually happened.
    You obviously have singularly FAILED to address what has been said over and over again.
    All you are doing is playing your stupid little game.
    Either address the answers you were already given or push on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon​ View Post
    Yay!
    And around and around we go with you playing your silly game.


    Wrong. You are the one assuming here.

    I am pointing out that the author attributed the quote to the witness.
    The author did. Period. That is not an assumption, but fact.
    You can't get around that.

    What I also did was acknowledge that the author may have badly worded his report, wrongly but still attributing the quote to the witness.
    So even if you "were correct that it was only the Officer relaying what he was told, your interpretation of how it was written is still wrong."



    Based on the information in the OP, this is your assumption.
    What we had was the author attributing the quote to the witness.


    Holy ****. Still lost I see.

    We have what has been attributed to him.
    Not just what was in the affidavit, but by the Commissioner as well.
    There is no indication that his recorded statement or the information revealed from it was tainted by any reason to lie.


    Wrong.
    Especially in the light of him proffering reason why he is saying what he is now (a reason to lie | tainted).
    That makes what he has said now far more suspect.

    So lets show everybody how you like going in circles.
    Everything above had already been addressed previously.

    The most recent post that addresses all of it was made in post #544.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon​ View Post
    No. It doesn't say that at all.

    The only correct interpretation of those words, because of the actual wording, paragraph construction and quotations, was that the author was quoting the prisoner's words.

    The quotes were attributed to the witness. "His statements". Not anyone else's.
    But of course you do not want to recognize that.

    Your argument based on the information in the OP is 100% wrong, and it is you who can't get around that fact.

    It wouldn't even matter if what you say turns out to be factual correct. Based on the wording, paragraph construction and quotations, the author was attributing the quotes to the witness.
    I even acknowledged that it may have been badly written, but the attribution was still to the witness. Not anyone else.


    1. Irrelevant argument in regards to whom the author attributed the quotes.
    2. An assumption on your part which is not consistent with the way the article was written.

    And as already pointed out, an Officer's sworn statement has far more credibility that the contrary statements the witness is now making. Just another thing that you can not get around.

    [...]

    The witness made it known why he was now saying what he was. It was to protect himself and that taints his denial.
    Contrasted with what he said earlier having no reason shown that he could be making it up, one is far more believable than the other.

    Whether you realize it or not, that is a clear distinction, which has nothing to do with anyone's skin color.

    And as I previously said, "if that information is ever given to a jury they will have far more reason to trust it than anything he says now".
    Absent information to the contrary, thinking otherwise is sheer lunacy.


    But please, continue with your silly silly game.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You obviously have singularly FAILED to address what has been said over and over again.
    All you are doing is playing your stupid little game.
    Either address the answers you were already given or push on.
    You continue to repeat what the OFFICER wrote and not what Donta Allan actually said.

    That you continue to confuse this simple issue... just sad, really.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You continue to repeat what the OFFICER wrote and not what Donta Allan actually said.

    That you continue to confuse this simple issue... just sad, really.
    And again. You are assuming.
    The article attributed the quote to the witness. Period. You can not get around that.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    and again. You are assuming.
    The article attributed the quote to the witness. Period. You can not get around that.
    Which quote???

    Specifically - quote the quote.
    Last edited by Gonzo Rodeo; 05-22-15 at 11:05 PM.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Which quote???

    Specifically - quote the quote.
    Stop with the game.
    We have already been through this over and over again.

    You are making an assumption and ignoring that the author attributed the quote to the witness. Period.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Stop with the game.
    We have already been through this over and over again.

    You are making an assumption and ignoring that the author attributed the quote to the witness. Period.

    WHAT QUOTE???


    You keep using that word like you have access to Donta Allen's words! If that is the case.... provide them.

    Otherwise, you should stop using the word "quote" since it's not the correct word for what you actually mean. You are either unintentionally using that word because you don't know what it means, or you are intentionally using it because you are lying.

    So, which is it? Are you stupid, or are you a liar?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    stupid, [...] liar
    While I have no problem with you demeaning yourself like that, you should really avoid harming your ego like that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post

    WHAT QUOTE???


    You keep using that word like you have access to Donta Allen's words! If that is the case.... provide them.

    Otherwise, you should stop using the word "quote" since it's not the correct word for what you actually mean. You are either unintentionally using that word because you don't know what it means, or you are intentionally using it because you are lying.

    So, which is it? Are you stupid, or are you a liar?
    I see you are talking about yourself again.

    It has already been provided.
    The author attributed the quote to the witness. No one else. "His statements" Do you not understand that?

    But of course you are still going to ignore reality. What a shame.
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