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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Still ignoring what was said and provided.
    It appears that you don't understand what a quote is or are intentionally ignoring them.
    His words were quoted.

    This applies to you. His words were quoted.
    Saying somebody said something is not a quote. That is called second-hand reporting.

    The dictionary disagrees with you. Are you really going to argue against the dictionary?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Saying somebody said something is not a quote. That is called second-hand reporting.

    The dictionary disagrees with you. Are you really going to argue against the dictionary?
    This is again you ignoring that his words were provided in the documentation.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This is again you ignoring that his words were provided in the documentation.
    ...but that documentation is not a quote. If it were a quote, you would be able to provide Allen's exact words as he said them. This you are unable to do.

    You are similarly ignoring the actual quote he gave. You know, that statement of his that has "quotes" around it.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    While it is possible to discern [the sounds of general banging about from the sounds of someone trying to injure themselves] in various environments...
    ...an interesting premise you're starting with.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    ...an interesting premise you're starting with.
    Either you can admit that it is possible, or you can not.

    While you focused on other wording, you should have paid attention to the following.

    While it is possible to discern in various environments, we do not known how he said he knew, or even if he did say how he knew.

    He very well may have given a credible reason to the investigators if they asked.

    I already said I didn't know either way. Do you know if he did or didn't?





    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    ...but that documentation is not a quote. If it were a quote, you would be able to provide Allen's exact words as he said them. This you are unable to do.

    You are similarly ignoring the actual quote he gave. You know, that statement of his that has "quotes" around it.
    Around and around we go. Yay!
    This is again you ignoring that his words were quoted.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Around and around we go. Yay!
    This is again you ignoring that his words were quoted.
    The only person ignoring Allen's quoted words is you.

    "All I heard was a little banging for like four seconds."

    You see, that is an actual quote. It's on video.

    What you keep referencing is a statement written by an officer. That would be a second-hand source, not a quote.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    The only person ignoring Allen's quoted words is you.

    "All I heard was a little banging for like four seconds."

    You see, that is an actual quote. It's on video.

    What you keep referencing is a statement written by an officer. That would be a second-hand source, not a quote.
    Nope. That is you. His words were quoted.

    And this is you again providing statements which lack credibility.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Nope. That is you. His words were quoted.

    And this is you again providing statements which lack credibility.
    Quote them, then. Tell me, in his exact words, what Allen said to the police. Go ahead, quote him.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo​ View Post
    Quote them, then. Tell me, in his exact words, what Allen said to the police. Go ahead, quote him.
    Around and around we go again.
    Yay!
    His words were already quoted.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Around and around we go again.
    Yay!
    His words were already quoted.
    Where? You referenced an affidavit written by an officer.... not a direct quote from Allen.

    The only quotes Allen provided - to anyone - say the opposite.
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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