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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, you'll believe the original statement allegedly said by Allen but not believe the same person later. Interesting.
    Doesn't fit his agenda.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, you'll believe the original statement allegedly said by Allen but not believe the same person later. Interesting.
    What do you find interesting about that?


    He had no cause to lie to the authorities and nothing provided shows that.

    His current statements do show a reason to lie. He himself voiced it.

    Or are you unable to distinguish the difference between the two being made under different circumstances?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Doesn't fit his agenda.
    Lame reply which ignores the reality of the current case at hand.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your ever changing goal posts were already noted.
    You asked for quotes of what he said when they had already been provided.
    And you continually ignore the fact that you were already told

    Again:
    As you were already told.
    Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.
    All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

    His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
    To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

    And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
    And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide.
    You are mistaking a thirdhand quote of a secondhand source for an adequate substitution of a firsthand source.

    The firsthand source says you are wrong. This can't be any more clear than it is.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You are mistaking a thirdhand quote of a secondhand source for an adequate substitution of a firsthand source.

    The firsthand source says you are wrong. This can't be any more clear than it is.


    Not at all.
    You are refusing to understand that a sworn to document has far more credibility than what the supposed witness now says.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post


    Not at all.
    You are refusing to understand that a sworn to document has far more credibility than what the supposed witness now says.
    It's not a sworn document from Allen. Do you get that? Allen isn't swearing to anything, anywhere. It's an officer's affidavit, an officer's oath of how he interprets something that someone else said.

    Let me ask you a question: Who is a better authority on what you, Excon, have said. Is it me? Or is it you?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    It's not a sworn document from Allen. Do you get that? Allen isn't swearing to anything, anywhere. It's an officer's affidavit, an officer's oath of how he interprets something that someone else said.

    Let me ask you a question: Who is a better authority on what you, Excon, have said. Is it me? Or is it you?

    Again:
    As you were already told.
    Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.
    All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

    His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
    To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

    And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
    And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Again:
    As you were already told.
    Stop playing. You know who wrote it and the person is swearing to have that knowledge of what he said.
    All you are doing is purposely not recognizing what was said.

    His words were already quoted in the article from the affidavit and you still fail to realize that it is a sworn statement based on his knowledge.
    To suggest that is a lie is absurdly ridiculous.

    And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
    And it is hilarious that the guy is so stupid that he thinks he didn't speak to investigators. Only homocide.
    So, who is a better source for what you said earlier: me, or you?
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    So, who is a better source for what you said earlier: me, or you?
    You have no point.

    Again:
    And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
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    Re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You have no point.

    Again:
    And you still are ignoring the lack of credibility in what the supposed witness now says. iLOL Any refutation by him means absolutely nothing at this point.
    My point is that a firsthand source is always more reliable for what the first-hand source said than a second- or third-hand source. For example, you are more likely to trust yourself as a source for things you said than you are to trust anyone else about things you said. Is this not a fact?
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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