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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post

    The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.
    Fair enough, but it's foolish to not recognize that the poor are preyed upon because they don't have the resources to fight back. Not just by cops but by all manner of power and money hungry entities. Especially the police, justice, and penal systems we currently have. So it is about bad cops, in that those cops take their aggressions out on the impoverished because they know they can get away with it. But that same cop might be a true hero in another part of town servicing an upscale citizen. Add to that the aforementioned support system, that traps so many of the poor never be able to advance in anyway reasonable way.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, and OJ Simpson is a really nice guy who was just trying to see how sharp his knife was.

    It's remarkable how many little angels get in trouble with police. I suppose only the truly evil walk free among us.
    One shouldn't have to be angel to not be abused by the police. And since we know that police will shoot people in the back, it's not unreasonable to suspect that some of the charges or the degree of charges are trumped up. I'm sorry, I have absolutely no faith in the the honesty of police, particularly when they can legally lie during an investigation but no one else can.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    One shouldn't have to be angel to not be abused by the police. And since we know that police will shoot people in the back, it's not unreasonable to suspect that some of the charges or the degree of charges are trumped up. I'm sorry, I have absolutely no faith in the the honesty of police, particularly when they can legally lie during an investigation but no one else can.
    I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.
    Well being a white male of means has it's privileges, you make that perfectly clear. You seem to fail to realize that many of those who are poor who are in jail, didn't commit any crimes either. It's hard for those people to treat their police with respect because the police as they presents themselves to impoverished is a different persona to the one you see.

    My first long term boyfriend drove an old 68 chevy pickemup truck that he was refurbishing, he was also from the other side of town, though his parents had moved pretty close to our side, and hence we went to the same high school. It was also clear he wasn't entirely white, he Italian/Cajun and came out looking like a darker Mexican. He was going down the 281 one day and our local Hollywood Park cop pulled him over for going 5 over. Now no one from our neighborhood got pulled over for 5mph over, never. But he was clearly poor by our neighborhood's standard. Well the cop approaches all attitude and rude and smart ass, then he saw me in the passenger seat. His behavior changed in a split second.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    *snort*

    Okay....
    I wonder what plea deal he was offered to say this?
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    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Let's not let the truth get in the way of a good riot.
    While I agree, we should let the truth get in the way of making false assumptions. Anything is possible. If the young man was on drugs and was combative, he may have injured himself in the process. Or he may have injured himself further. It is also possible that he was in severe pain and was trying to get someone's attention, and that is what the other prisoner heard.
    So lets wait and see until all the facts are in.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    It never seizes to amaze me that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and all are to be innocent until proven guilty, except for cops.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I wonder what plea deal he was offered to say this?
    That is a ridiculous statement, especially as this was known about from the beginning.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    It never seizes to amaze me that everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, and all are to be innocent until proven guilty, except for cops.
    It is also amazing that nobody wants to understand that the "victims" are criminals who resist arrest. That is not to say that criminals who resist arrest deserve to be killed. But it does say that giving the police a reason to be aggressive is a poor idea. If a black man is being arrested by a racist cop he will probably do a lot better if he doesn't resist arrest. As an example, I think the issue that occurred in New York shortly after the Ferguson disaster deserved some discipline by the police department. Yes he was a criminal and resisted arrest but there were enough cops there to get the job done without being that aggressive. He would be alive if he hadn't resisted arrest. The cop in South Carolina was appropriately charged with murder. We don't even know what the cause of death was in Baltimore.

    I don't doubt that police stop, investigate and arrest blacks in higher numbers than whites. But isn't it true that blacks commit crimes in higher numbers than whites? It is true. Is that fair to law abiding blacks? No, but it helps to put things in perspective. Criminals need to understand that the police aren't going to give up because they resist arrest. Resisting arrest gains nothing at all and provides a motivation and environment for cops to do the wrong things.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
    It's an interesting time for that to come out. Quite convenient.

    Why are there no cameras recording the back of the prisoner transport? Regardless, it was a pending investigation, the riot of course jumped the gun, these things tend not to be intelligent as much as they are predatory.
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