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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    The majority of blacks don't riot in the streets either. Just sayin'.
    I think we all know this. It's the folks who are rioting that we're talking about, though.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Maybe this is a dumb question...but do police vans not have seat belts?



    I was under the impression that buckling up was the law?
    Yes, they do. And police are required to use them.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Yes, they do. And police are required to use them.
    It's ok to ignore seatbelt rules if you are really in a hurry to get to the donut shop though.
    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Blacks aren't committing more crime. That's the point. They use drugs at similar rates yet they get harsher sentences and more convictions.
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    I disagree. Just because their drug usage may be no different does not mean their propensity to commit crime is the same or equal.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Yes, they do. And police are required to use them.
    It is a supposed policy. Not a law.
    Big difference.

    In this case the suspect was supposedly not secured which was okay for the reason claimed under the previous set of rules.
    But to claim criminal activity because a supposed policy was not followed is absurd.

    And if it is found that there wasn't a meaningful and effective notification of the supposed new policy, their following the old standards will be accepted.


    The supposed new rules are no where to be found.
    Do you have a link to them?

    Here is a link to the only ones (old) I could find.

    -- Ensure medical treatment for a prisoner is obtained, when necessary, at the nearest emergency medical facility

    >The arrestee is secured with seat/restraint belts provided. This procedure should be evaluated on an individual basis so not to place oneself in any danger


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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    You really learn respect for authority at home from two good parents, who raise their children in the correct manner. Today, there are way too many black babies being born out of wedlock with only a single mother to raise them and no visible father. There are exceptions, though, and maybe that mother slapping her 16-year old around will turn this kid around so he won't grow up to be a juvenile delinquent. The family unit is what keeps these children on the straight and narrow, not to mention taking them to church at an early age. Another thing is that the police no longer do walking beats. It's ride around in the car and do things on the computer. I grew up in the 50's, and I remember cops walking the beat. They had call boxes on the street to call for help. Heck, they could do that now, only use Iphones and a police radio. The police need to re-connect with the people, and what better way to get to know the people than walking a beat. They'd have thinner cops for sure.
    What a load of crap.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    What a load of crap.
    No, it's your hot flashes kicking in.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I think we all know this. It's the folks who are rioting that we're talking about, though.
    Yeah, the outsiders that are bused in to do what they are trained to do, riot and cause insurrection, all financed by those linked with the communist party.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont see where i claimed that. In fact, I literally suggested the opposite.
    People were using the other guy's statements as support for the ridiculous notion that Gray harmed himself. When that other guy came forward and provided a direct quote himself, countermanding the earlier statement attributed to him, that completely unraveled the notion that an eye witness claimed to have seen Freddie Gray harming himself. That eyewitness denies any such statement previously attributed to him (second hand).

    Your reply to me in post #280 seemed to suggest that it is hypocritical to apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the police but not to secondhand eyewitness accounts that were refuted firsthand.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This is you again being blatantly dishonest.
    Not once has it been shown to not be true. He continues to say it was a smooth ride.
    He was picked up on the last stop. A majority of the ride happened before he got in the van.

    All of the reporting of his earlier statements were secondhand, and refuted when the firsthand source was interviewed. He never said it sounded like Gray was trying to injure himself. Your claim that he said so is wrong. Don't feel bad, it's not entirely your fault. But that claim is irrefutably wrong.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    People were using the other guy's statements as support for the ridiculous notion that Gray harmed himself. When that other guy came forward and provided a direct quote himself, countermanding the earlier statement attributed to him, that completely unraveled the notion that an eye witness claimed to have seen Freddie Gray harming himself. That eyewitness denies any such statement previously attributed to him (second hand).

    Your reply to me in post #280 seemed to suggest that it is hypocritical to apply a healthy dose of skepticism to the police but not to secondhand eyewitness accounts that were refuted firsthand.
    Doesnt that sound like common sense?

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