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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Sure, there are some crazy white folks, but the majority don't riot in the streets and destroy public property, otherwise you would have seen them out there burning the CVS Pharmacy. Yes, there were whites marching with blacks, but not many, not like the droves of young blacks out there.
    The majority of blacks don't riot in the streets either. Just sayin'.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I agree: There is no excuse for rioting and looting. It's a distraction from what matters, and that is justice for Freddie Gray and the police officers charged with homicide too.
    Unfortunately, all of this is a distraction from the real and underlying issues that create communities like Baltimore and Ferguson.

    Communities filled with people that are prone to false narratives and political narratives leads to Communities that are one allegation of Police brutality away from full on riots.

    I think unemployment in Baltimore in that area is around 40 percent , with a drop put rate of nearly 50 percent.

    In the case of Ferguson it was riot first, ask questions later. Thanks to the response from the White House, and all the press attention idiots like Al Sharpton received the narrative of " Systemic racial bias " and so called unchecked Police aggression has grown into a huge issue.

    Obama qmd Holders response to Ferguson, to a LIE ( Hands Up Dont Shoot ) was to pass out a list to local Police departments on " How not to be a racist ".

    That says it all.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    The majority of blacks don't riot in the streets either. Just sayin'.
    Yes, that's quite true, and I took notice of that, but the bad ones who did spoiled it for everyone else.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.

    A few things to note here:

    1- Since when have you been so interested in what potential criminals have to say ya liberal?

    2- The report from the prosecutor claims that he was not buckled in and because you know he was having an asthma attack probably was gasping for air and trying to get the attention of the officers.

    3- There is no step 3! There is no step 3!

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    A few things to note here:

    1- Since when have you been so interested in what potential criminals have to say ya liberal?

    2- The report from the prosecutor claims that he was not buckled in and because you know he was having an asthma attack probably was gasping for air and trying to get the attention of the officers.

    3- There is no step 3! There is no step 3!

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    You have noted nothing of import.
    He was not buckled in over concerns for Officer safety.
    He was not having an asthma attack. He was breathing just fine and even screaming becasue his po wittle wists hurt.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    It all boils down to the lack of respect for authority.
    This is the "problem".. respect is earned, not automatically given. Hence the respect of the police by this community and many other black communities across America is almost non existent because of the racially motivated acts against the community... deliberate or not. How can you respect anyone in authority if they abuse that authority?

    Take Ferguson. Forget the death and the riots, but look at the background. Here you had a majority black community with a massive majority white police force and local government, and a municipality that gets most of its income from "fines" against its own citizens.. not from taxes, but fines for supposedly breaking the law in some way. This pattern is getting more and more popular across the US and is specifically targeting lower and middle classes who often get into a debt trap.. a simple 10 dollar fine can quickly explode to hundreds if not thousands of dollars because of the way the system is built up. John Oliver had a great expose on this a few weeks ago and from my own friends and family in the US, they all agree that this is happening.

    So since the black community is historically relatively poorer overall than the white, then it is no wonder that they feel hunted and abused by the authorities and that there is zero respect for them.

    Remember this thing called the American revolution and why it happened? Abuse by the ruling authority... yes it can be compared.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    The majority of blacks don't riot in the streets either. Just sayin'.
    I don't think anyone believes that although it would appear that inner cities are prone to civil unrest.

    Some blame the Police but I think there's more to this issue.

    Poverty follows crime and the other way around so, inner city residents are going to have more confrontations with the Police and the poor excuse for Schools that inner City area kids are subjected to and the high drop out rates means inner city residents are going to be more sucseptible to narratives and empty promises from Politicians.

    Police are human beings, and we're innately imperfect so there's nothing anyone can do to completely stop Police brutality completely.

    The assumption of Police brutality is even more impossible to stop.

    I don't think this is a fixable problem. These people keep electing Progressives who keep perpetuating the narrative that these people are victims of some nameless , faceless entity that they have no power over.

    That their circumstance are no fault of their own and if of only the Government had more power to implement " equity " and " justice " their problems would be solved. " Social and Economic justice " based on arbitrary definitions that promise things that are impossible to deliver only create more poverty and mediocrity.

    Progressivess raise taxes and placate the Dependant and that drives out investment and anyone else who can afford to move leaving a population whos unemoyed, impoverished and desperate.

    Riots on every news channel is a deterrent for new investment and I think the Mayor of Baltimore had a initiative where she was going to convince 50 k residents to move back to Baltimore ?

    Lol...good luck with that after publicly disclosing your policy of giving rioters room to " destroy ".

    The worst possible thing she could do was to bring in Al Sharpton. This lets every Company and or developer know to stay the hell out of thaf area.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Although id not agree with all of your points, I do agree with some of them. If, as you say, the problem isn't fixable, then why does it matter who is elected?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This is the "problem".. respect is earned, not automatically given. Hence the respect of the police by this community and many other black communities across America is almost non existent because of the racially motivated acts against the community... deliberate or not. How can you respect anyone in authority if they abuse that authority?

    Take Ferguson. Forget the death and the riots, but look at the background. Here you had a majority black community with a massive majority white police force and local government, and a municipality that gets most of its income from "fines" against its own citizens.. not from taxes, but fines for supposedly breaking the law in some way. This pattern is getting more and more popular across the US and is specifically targeting lower and middle classes who often get into a debt trap.. a simple 10 dollar fine can quickly explode to hundreds if not thousands of dollars because of the way the system is built up. John Oliver had a great expose on this a few weeks ago and from my own friends and family in the US, they all agree that this is happening.

    So since the black community is historically relatively poorer overall than the white, then it is no wonder that they feel hunted and abused by the authorities and that there is zero respect for them.

    Remember this thing called the American revolution and why it happened? Abuse by the ruling authority... yes it can be compared.
    You really learn respect for authority at home from two good parents, who raise their children in the correct manner. Today, there are way too many black babies being born out of wedlock with only a single mother to raise them and no visible father. There are exceptions, though, and maybe that mother slapping her 16-year old around will turn this kid around so he won't grow up to be a juvenile delinquent. The family unit is what keeps these children on the straight and narrow, not to mention taking them to church at an early age. Another thing is that the police no longer do walking beats. It's ride around in the car and do things on the computer. I grew up in the 50's, and I remember cops walking the beat. They had call boxes on the street to call for help. Heck, they could do that now, only use Iphones and a police radio. The police need to re-connect with the people, and what better way to get to know the people than walking a beat. They'd have thinner cops for sure.

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