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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    Your bias is showing, better pull it up.
    I'm not the one making statements like " he was thrown into the back of the Van "

    THAT'S bias. Bias is protesting and rioting before the facts have been released

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First a Prosecutor is hardly a objective resource. Her husband was part of the demonstration before anyone knew anything.
    LOL so that is where Fox News and the US right is going..... good to know.

    Nect, 2cnd degree murder is a non-premeditated assault that where homicide may be likely.
    Is it or is it not a murder charge?

    All the other charges are BS ( so is the second degree murder charge )
    Well we shall see, but the evidence we have seen makes it far from BS.

    No one grabbed Freddie Gray and " threw him into the back of the van ". So where's the " assault " ?
    And this is utterly irrelevant as it is not based on the facts. The charges are based on the facts.

    Like it or not, Gray died in police custody. An investigation has now shown that the cops involved broke department rules multiple times and these transgressions at least contributed to his death. This is a crime. You would also be charged if you stood over a person watching them dying and not doing anything to help them.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Helpful hint (though some will undoubtedly willfully ignore it): Charges are sometimes based partially on what they think they can win. Not always and solely on what the charge should be.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I'm not the one making statements like " he was thrown into the back of the Van "

    THAT'S bias. Bias is protesting and rioting before the facts have been released
    I never made that statement. Actually, I mentioned that we would see what the investigation revealed. Now that we have, you don't seem to accept what's been put forth. It's a little odd that you trust the police but not the prosecutor. Why is that? Lol.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Is it or is it not a murder charge?
    Involuntary or second degree at most I think is appropriate. I don't believe this was a premeditated murder. I fear that we over-prosecute with murder charges these days.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is odd, the only one you embarrassed was you and you are doing it to yourself again.
    You clearly failed to see that I already provided a video of his interview with the reporter.

    Secondly nothing he currently says really changes much of what has already been argued. The substance is still the same. There was no "rough ride/nickle ride", he was still moving when he was put into the van and his moving stopped as they arrived at their destination.
    Your OP makes the claim that the other person in the van says Gray was trying to injure himself. This has been shown to be false. There is no way to make that more clear than it already is.

    And as previously pointed out, what currently matters his is statements as already given being in the hands of the Prosecutor who is making the decisions in this case.
    And the prosecutor just announced there will be a murder charge. BOOM.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Involuntary or second degree at most I think is appropriate. I don't believe this was a premeditated murder. I fear that we over-prosecute with murder charges these days.
    It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

    At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

    At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.
    And there is a second degree murder charge. When I said "over-prosecute" with murder, I meant that we often charge 1st when maybe 2nd or even manslaughter are more appropriate. There are also charges dealing with negligent duty.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

    At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.
    " Racism " ? How would you know if the Cops were racist ?

    Its that kind of irresponsible nonsense thats leading to riots, violence and destruction in these inner city areas.

    And a Prosecutor who just happens to be married to a City Council member AND who's largest contributor is the attorney of Freddie Gray is hardly objective.

    Its obvious she threw every charge she could hoping one would stick.

    She' s seeking " justice " ? Yea right.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " Racism " ? How would you know if the Cops were racist ?

    Its that kind of irresponsible nonsense thats leading to riots, violence and destruction in these inner city areas.

    And a Prosecutor who just happens to be married to a City Council member AND who's largest contributor is the attorney of Freddie Gray is hardly objective.

    Its obvious she threw every charge she could hoping one would stick.

    She' s seeking " justice " ? Yea right.
    We'll find out. The State must be able to prove these charges to a jury.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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