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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep, another "pos criminal" is suddenly very credible, lol.
    That is a flaw in your logic.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...re-his-arrest/

    Read this article, it explains the car accident case by stating it was not actually a car accident that he filled suit for, but for possible lead paint poisoning which occurred for several years due to lead based paint. This occurred while he was a developing teen. If you look at the effects of lead poisoning, one of the possible effects of long term exposure is that it effects bone development and in some cases can lead to Osteoporosis. If he had weakened bones due to lead exposure, it is more then possible that the struggle during his arrest may have caused the fatal injury, which then was made worse by moving his neck all over the place. If he had to be taserd when he was arrested, then he was resisting. The video only shows the arrest, and not what occurred prior, but based on the witnesses, he was taserd. If you look at his arrest record, he also does have an arrest for assault, so he was not only a drug dealer, but a potentially violent drug dealer. Which leads me to believe there is evidence that he resisted arrest, and based on a previous medical condition, was fatally injured during his arrest.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    Leaked by the cops 10 days after. Who got their info from a guy they had under arrest. Wonder what kinda deal that guy got. People don't just speak up for the cops in that area. If anything the guy would have said the opposite. Unless he got something or the cops twisted his arm.
    Now you are absurdly assuming some sort of deal instead of results from investigation.

    The number of days are also meaningless.
    There is an ongoing investigation. Why would that information be released prior to the finish (except by leak) of that investigation?
    In addition, but what for the arrestee thought of Gray's actions, the information was already out in the public.

    From the 24th.
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
    Not exactly. An officer claiming to have interviewed the prisoner, who only shared the last 5 minutes of the ride with the victim, says the prisoner said the guy was trying to hurt himself. HOWEVER, apparently in earlier testimony the same prisoner said it was silent for the 5-10 minutes he was in the van. Seems there's some discrepancy perhaps brought on by intimidation tactics, be that tactic a carrot or a stick, toward the extra prisoner.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    *UPDATED* – Did Freddie Gray Have Spinal Surgery (From Prior Car Accident) A Week Before His Arrest?… | The Last Refuge

    Read this article, it explains the car accident case by stating it was not actually a car accident that he filled suit for, but for possible lead paint poisoning which occurred for several years due to lead based paint. This occurred while he was a developing teen. If you look at the effects of lead poisoning, one of the possible effects of long term exposure is that it effects bone development and in some cases can lead to Osteoporosis. If he had weakened bones due to lead exposure, it is more then possible that the struggle during his arrest may have caused the fatal injury, which then was made worse by moving his neck all over the place. If he had to be taserd when he was arrested, then he was resisting. The video only shows the arrest, and not what occurred prior, but based on the witnesses, he was taserd. If you look at his arrest record, he also does have an arrest for assault, so he was not only a drug dealer, but a potentially violent drug dealer. Which leads me to believe there is evidence that he resisted arrest, and based on a previous medical condition, was fatally injured during his arrest.
    Except as was pointed out to me in another thread, assault could mean something as essentially benign as spitting on someone, even if it lands on clothing as opposed to an open wound that could become infected, :eyeroll: And a drug dealer could be the really nice 26yo that shares his mj with me since I actually need it medical reasons though I am not a CA resident and can't get an mmj card, he could. So he got one, buys for me, and really rarely smokes. Not a "drug dealer" by most standards, but could be arrested and charged thusly.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    HOWEVER, apparently in earlier testimony the same prisoner said it was silent for the 5-10 minutes he was in the van. Seems there's some discrepancy perhaps brought on by intimidation tactics, be that tactic a carrot or a stick, toward the extra prisoner.

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    No.
    Your report acknowledges the affidavit and says that information was available from the start.
    While some is assumption, everything else she stated has not been supported.

    So let's see.
    A Sworn affidavit which is not only confirmed by your report as existing but your source also stating that information has been known from the beginning along with the Commissioner's reported statement from the 24th about what the the other arrestee said, versus your reporter alleging without support.

    No comparison.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    A guy with a long rap sheet, who recently underwent spinal surgery and was out selling dope rather than recuperating...tries to fake a police brutality get out of jail free card? No way, not possible! No-one would do that!

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Oh Jeez.

    These riots are virtually NOTHING to do with this guy.

    Just like the Ferguson riots were next to nothing to do with that incident.

    These riots are about poverty and hopelessness...not police brutality.

    Surely you people cannot be naive enough to believe that the only place there are bad cops are in these two areas? Or that these cops are SO much worse then every, single city/town in ALL of America? There are bad firefighters in every city - along with bad chefs, bad taxi drivers, bad garbage men and bad cops.
    And there are more bad cops in poor areas...well DUH. When you deal with the worst society has to offer, the you are going to get frustrated/corrupt police....again, duh. Police are human, not robotic.

    And remember, the Ferguson cop was exonerated. Which proves that the incident in question was a excuse for violence, not the cause of it.

    When the poor, middle class and the rich march together, then it's about terrible cops. When it's just the poor, it's mostly about poverty.

    Finally, rioters are just idiots and thugs who are dying to lash out and the riot gives them the green light.
    You think some decent person is going to riot because some cop did something bad to someone they never heard of before the incident? Of course not.


    The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Except as was pointed out to me in another thread, assault could mean something as essentially benign as spitting on someone, even if it lands on clothing as opposed to an open wound that could become infected, :eyeroll: And a drug dealer could be the really nice 26yo that shares his mj with me since I actually need it medical reasons though I am not a CA resident and can't get an mmj card, he could. So he got one, buys for me, and really rarely smokes. Not a "drug dealer" by most standards, but could be arrested and charged thusly.
    Yes, and OJ Simpson is a really nice guy who was just trying to see how sharp his knife was.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh Jeez.

    These riots are virtually NOTHING to do with this guy.

    Just like the Ferguson riots were next to nothing to do with that incident.

    These riots are about poverty and hopelessness...not police brutality.

    Surely you people cannot be naive enough to believe that the only place there are bad cops are in these two areas? Or that these cops are SO much worse then every, single city/town in ALL of America? There are bad firefighters in every city - along with bad chefs, bad taxi drivers, bad garbage men and bad cops.
    And there are more bad cops in poor areas...well DUH. When you deal with the worst society has to offer, the you are going to get frustrated/corrupt police....again, duh. Police are human, not robotic.

    And remember, the Ferguson cop was exonerated. Which proves that the incident in question was a excuse for violence, not the cause of it.

    When the poor, middle class and the rich march together, then it's about terrible cops. When it's just the poor, it's mostly about poverty.

    Finally, rioters are just idiots and thugs who are dying to lash out and the riot gives them the green light.
    You think some decent person is going to riot because some cop did something bad to someone they never heard of before the incident? Of course not.


    The entire Baltimore riot is, IMO, 90% poverty and 10% (at most) bad cops.
    With respect, you unfairly slander every decent, honest, law abiding person who lives in poverty every day.

    This is not about poverty, it's about a penchant for lawlessness and taking advantage of circumstances. Those who are prone to be criminals come out of the woodwork whenever the opportunity arises - plain and simple.

    Toronto, where I live, has lots of poverty, and we've had several police shootings but we don't have riots in the streets here and people destroying public and private property. The only time, in my lifetime, that we did, was during the 2010 G20 meetings here when criminal Black Bloc elements infiltrated the city and the protestors and caused havoc.
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