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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Quote me referring to this as racism. I'm criticising a documented pattern of abuse and corruption in the Baltimore police department. You should stop defending the filth.
    Post the Medical examiners report and bold the part where the Medical examiner said the cops " slammed him into the van ".

    Go ahead. Or where you just jumping to conclusions to justify your own personal prejudices against LEOs ?

    You would think people would have learned after Ferguson not to jump to conclusions. You can see with your own eyes the damage and destruction that leads to, right ?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Make this about what it really is, and demonstrate for the changes that need to occur in police culture nationwide, and maybe we'll all get somewhere.
    The question is what it really is. The problems with the demonstrations is that they have always occurred when someone was killed while resisting arrest. Obviously, people shouldn't be killed for resisting arrest but, if police harassment of blacks actually exists on a widespread basis, then the demonstrations would be more effective when they relate to black harassment of people who haven't committed a crime. Some police departments could be racial but I find it hard to believe that the Baltimore police department is. It is composed of about 50% black officers and is managed by a black commissioner and mayor. So the riots didn't convince me of anything other than that angry people wanted to engage in destroying their neighborhood. Are they angry about police harassment? I doubt it. I suspect they are angry about a host of things, many of which they have brought on themselves. If it is true then they need to handle communicating that in a more effective manner.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Post the Medical examiners report and bold the part where the Medical examiner said the cops " slammed him into the van ".

    Go ahead. Or where you just jumping to conclusions to justify your own personal prejudices against LEOs ?

    You would think people would have learned after Ferguson not to jump to conclusions. You can see with your own eyes the damage and destruction that leads to, right ?
    What does that mean, that you think it likely that Freddy slammed himself into the van.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Post the Medical examiners report and bold the part where the Medical examiner said the cops " slammed him into the van ".

    Go ahead. Or where you just jumping to conclusions to justify your own personal prejudices against LEOs ?

    You would think people would have learned after Ferguson not to jump to conclusions. You can see with your own eyes the damage and destruction that leads to, right ?
    Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

    Read more: Law enforcement sources say Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport van | WJLA.com
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I so want to agree with this. And yes, you are correct that police abuse happens to people from all walks of life, but it also seems to be happening disproportionately to blacks.
    That it's happening disproportionately to blacks isn't the issue.

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn't and it just gets a lot more demonstrator and media attention when it does because the social justice crusaders and race hustlers find that they have something to glom on to that will really get them some traction.

    It doesn't matter WHO it is happening to.

    What matters is that it could, given the right (wrong?) set of circumstances, happen to YOU (any of us) just as easily as it happened to Freddy Gray.

    I'm an upper-middle-class, middle age, white guy, a veteran, with a graduate degree, couple cars, big house, vacation property, the polar opposite of Freddy Gray, and I've had a gun held to my head by a cop because he got scared at a traffic stop.

    I wasn't threatening him, I wasn't mouthing off to him, I just couldn't find my registration so I moved more quickly than he would have liked in a direction he wasn't expecting and he drew down on me.

    It was daytime, in broad daylight, on a road in the suburbs, I was in wool slacks, button down, tie, driving a late model car, looking like the college educated professional I am.

    If he had been just a *little* more skittish he *could* have shot me.

    And if he did he would have been investigated by the prosecutor he plays golf with, he would have claimed that he was "afraid for his life" and the fact that "he wanted to go home to his wife at the end of his shift" would have taken precedence over all other considerations, it's likely that the other cop at the scene would have been the first the throw up the "thin blue line" and then the union would have gotten involved and the whole department would have gathered around the coward and protected him (because God forbid the peer out their own the way we do in the military).

    And that last part is where the problem lies.

    There's virtually no accountability when a cop goes off the rails.

    They're "investigated" by their own.

    They're defended by their union.

    Their "brothers" will lie, cheat, and steal in order to keep one of their own protected.

    We have rules that apply to us that don't apply to them.

    And the people in this country, especially the gun-owning, God-fearing conservatives who would like you to believe that they're Billy Bad Ass, are so afraid of their own Gad damned shadows that they willingly abdicate more and more of our freedom to these jackbooted agents of an oppressive state every single day.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What does that mean, that you think it likely that Freddy slammed himself into the van.
    You claimed he was slammed into the back of the van by Police.

    What did you base that on ? Your uniformed opinion. Unfortunately allot of people came to the same conclusion.

    There was a prisoner in that Van that said Freddie was alive. There is video of officers speaking to a Freddie Gray while there was a additional prisoner in the Van.

    If the officers climed into the van and grabbed him and slammed him into the back of the van the additional prisoner would have noticed it.

    There's barely enough room in those holding cells to stand up and move around but you think another full grown man climbed into the back of tk
    he van,, shut the door, grabbed Freddie Gray and slammed him into the back door hard enough to break his neck ?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You claimed he was slammed into the back of the van by Police.

    What did you base that on ? Your uniformed opinion. Unfortunately allot of people came to the same conclusion.

    There was a prisoner in that Van that said Freddie was alive. There is video of officers speaking to a Freddie Gray while there was a additional prisoner in the Van.

    If the officers climed into the van and grabbed him and slammed him into the back of the van the additional prisoner would have noticed it.

    There's barely enough room in those holding cells to stand up and move around but you think another full grown man climbed into the back of tk
    he van,, shut the door, grabbed Freddie Gray and slammed him into the back door hard enough to break his neck ?
    Yes, I'm aware that you accept the other prisoners word as gospel. That's very nice.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Of course it is possible. Not to recognize that is absurd.


    Truth usually does piss off a certain portion of our population.


    What reason do you have to doubt what he says?
    There's an unverified report that another prisoner in the van allegedly said that in his opinion Freddie Gray's was at some point trying to injure himself.

    Was the report actually from police? Did the prisoner actually say that Freddie Gray was trying to injure himself? Was that an accurate assessment of the situation? And even if all of these happen to be true, it does not mean that Freddie Gray broke his own neck.

    Yet you claim "truth" while accusing others of jumping to conclusions???????

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    That it's happening disproportionately to blacks isn't the issue.

    Maybe it is, maybe it isn't and it just gets a lot more demonstrator and media attention when it does because the social justice crusaders and race hustlers find that they have something to glom on to that will really get them some traction.

    It doesn't matter WHO it is happening to.

    What matters is that it could, given the right (wrong?) set of circumstances, happen to YOU (any of us) just as easily as it happened to Freddy Gray.

    I'm an upper-middle-class, middle age, white guy, a veteran, with a graduate degree, couple cars, big house, vacation property, the polar opposite of Freddy Gray, and I've had a gun held to my head by a cop because he got scared at a traffic stop.

    I wasn't threatening him, I wasn't mouthing off to him, I just couldn't find my registration so I moved more quickly than he would have liked in a direction he wasn't expecting and he drew down on me.

    It was daytime, in broad daylight, on a road in the suburbs, I was in wool slacks, button down, tie, driving a late model car, looking like the college educated professional I am.

    If he had been just a *little* more skittish he *could* have shot me.

    And if he did he would have been investigated by the prosecutor he plays golf with, he would have claimed that he was "afraid for his life" and the fact that "he wanted to go home to his wife at the end of his shift" would have taken precedence over all other considerations, it's likely that the other cop at the scene would have been the first the throw up the "thin blue line" and then the union would have gotten involved and the whole department would have gathered around the coward and protected him (because God forbid the peer out their own the way we do in the military).

    And that last part is where the problem lies.

    There's virtually no accountability when a cop goes off the rails.

    They're "investigated" by their own.

    They're defended by their union.

    Their "brothers" will lie, cheat, and steal in order to keep one of their own protected.

    We have rules that apply to us that don't apply to them.

    And the people in this country, especially the gun-owning, God-fearing conservatives who would like you to believe that they're Billy Bad Ass, are so afraid of their own Gad damned shadows that they willingly abdicate more and more of our freedom to these jackbooted agents of an oppressive state every single day.
    For the most part, you're right. The vast majority of you post I agree with wholeheartedly. But, while it could indeed happen to me, if it's happening far more often to other groups then it cannot happen to me "just as easily".
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    I got tired of embarrassing you in the other thread. I'm going to do it in here now.

    Freddie Gray Update: New Speculation On His Death, And Peaceful Protests : The Two-Way : NPR

    He added that another detainee who was riding in the van told police that Gray was "still moving around ... kicking and making noises" until the van reached the police station.

    That second detainee rode in the police van on the other side of a metal partition that divides its cargo space. When he was picked up, Gray was already in the van.

    Local news WJZ-TV reports that Donta Allen, 22, was that second man – and that he came forward Thursday out of concern over how his comments were being portrayed by both the police and the media.

    "When I was in the back of that van it did not stop or nothing. All it did was go straight to the station, but I heard a little banging, like he was banging his head," Allen said. " I didn't even know he was in the van until we got to the station."

    Saying his words have been distorted by recent reports and that he doesn't think Gray hurt himself intentionally, Allen also told a WJZ reporter, "The only reason I'm doing this is because they put my name in a bad state."

    Allen, who was reportedly taken into custody for a minor offense and was not charged with a crime, also spoke to WBAL TV. He told the station that when he got into the van, he didn't know Gray was already there. He said he heard "a little banging for like four seconds."
    Since we are doubting the credibility of the police, wouldnt it be fair to likewise question the credibility of a criminal who has a beef against the police?

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