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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Excon,

    I'm just going to let your own video (post #222) debunk your weak attempt at a reply to my commentary (your post #221).



    Mr. Allen (prisoner #2) who was picked up and transported to the police station with Mr. Gray made it very clear that:

    1) He heard very little during the ride from Mr. Gray except 4-seconds of "little banging", but that the ride to the police station was quiet otherwise. This clearly would contradict the position you apparently stand behind:



    Investigators = homicide detectives? Maybe.

    Which brings me to...

    2) He gave a completely different story to homicide detectives than what he told local police.

    I'd be curious to know why Mr. Allen would tell homicide detectives one thing but local police something different (if anything at all since per the interview he didn't tell the police "nothin'".)

    Furthermore, per the video news clip you provided, the autopsy concluded that there was "no evidence that Mr. Gray hit his head against anything on his own". (This does support Mr. Allen's account of what he told the reporter per the video you provided.) Moreover, per the autopsy Mr. Gray's neck injury was "akin to a injury suffered in a car accident. It needed that amount of force".

    Something happened in the police van between the time Mr. Gray was picked up but prior to Mr. Allen being picked up . The question is what?
    Apparently Allen is afraid for his life as he's now in the middle between the protestors and the police.

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    “I had two options today right, either come and talk to y’all and get my credibility straight with ya’ll and not get killed by these [expletive] or not tell a true story,” Allen added. “The only reason I’m doing this is because they put my name in a bad state.”
    The Other Man In The Van With Freddie Gray Breaks His Silence « CBS Baltimore
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Stop your absurdity joko.

    It was obtained during an investigation. Not as a self serving statement.
    There presently is no known reason to disbelieve what he said. That is your problem for not recognizing that.
    I'm sure a jury will see it that way.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    That's why you bring in the Maryland State Police to investigate and later the FBI as well.
    No, law enforcement investigating law enforcement, lol. A system used by many European countries of total independence would be preferred.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    So there is proof and the Baltimore Sun has documented all of this inept Democrat leadership. Now, that's rich.
    Yes, indeed.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    So I see that the medical examiner has stated the injuries were caused when the police slammed him into the van (probably hitting that sharp corner j-motivator has been talking about) and that a head injury matches a bolt in the van!!!!!!!!!
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Whatever bs you have to tell yourself to cling to your ignorance about the police and how they treat the poor.
    It isn't about "the poor"

    It isn't about "black".

    It's about how police treat people.

    Police abuse happens to rich people, it happens to middle class people, it happens to rural ranchers, it happens to white women, it happens all over the country, to all kinds of people, every day.

    The problem isn't that the police hate poor black kids.

    The problem is that police have been given far too much authority, for far too long, have assumed an us v. them mentality of "whatever it takes, as long as I go home to my family at night", have been inundated with military hardware and training because the idiots in America are afraid of "the terrorism", and have it in their heads that they're "sheepdogs" and "operators" rather than average Joes who get paid to wear a badge and serve the public.

    Keep making this about poor black kids and you'll keep watching poor black kids die at the hands of police.

    Make this about what it really is, and demonstrate for the changes that need to occur in police culture nationwide, and maybe we'll all get somewhere.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So I see that the medical examiner has stated the injuries were caused when the police slammed him into the van (probably hitting that sharp corner j-motivator has been talking about) and that a head injury matches a bolt in the van!!!!!!!!!
    Thats so dishonest.

    The medical examiner said nothing of the sort.

    Its irresponsible rhetoric like that ( the police slammed into the van ) that perpetuates a false narrative of systemic racism in the Police force and leads to riots and outrage before the facts are known.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    It isn't about "the poor"

    It isn't about "black".

    It's about how police treat people.

    Police abuse happens to rich people, it happens to middle class people, it happens to rural ranchers, it happens to white women, it happens all over the country, to all kinds of people, every day.

    The problem isn't that the police hate poor black kids.

    The problem is that police have been given far too much authority, for far too long, have assumed an us v. them mentality of "whatever it takes, as long as I go home to my family at night", have been inundated with military hardware and training because the idiots in America are afraid of "the terrorism", and have it in their heads that they're "sheepdogs" and "operators" rather than average Joes who get paid to wear a badge and serve the public.

    Keep making this about poor black kids and you'll keep watching poor black kids die at the hands of police.

    Make this about what it really is, and demonstrate for the changes that need to occur in police culture nationwide, and maybe we'll all get somewhere.
    I so want to agree with this. And yes, you are correct that police abuse happens to people from all walks of life, but it also seems to be happening disproportionately to blacks. I get media sensationalism and manipulation is involved to a point. But even in less mainstream sources I'm not seeing anywhere near the numbers of police abuse against whites, Asians, or even Hispanics, that I see against blacks. Part of me is thinking that if the police abuse were more equal that somebody somewhere would have made this claim AND publicized specific incidents as examples, but I just haven't seen it.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats so dishonest.

    The medical examiner said nothing of the sort.

    Its irresponsible rhetoric like that ( the police slammed into the van ) that perpetuates a false narrative of systemic racism in the Police force and leads to riots and outrage before the facts are known.
    Quote me referring to this as racism. I'm criticising a documented pattern of abuse and corruption in the Baltimore police department. You should stop defending the filth.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats so dishonest.

    The medical examiner said nothing of the sort.

    Its irresponsible rhetoric like that ( the police slammed into the van ) that perpetuates a false narrative of systemic racism in the Police force and leads to riots and outrage before the facts are known.
    The medical examiner found that Gray’s neck was most likely broken when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, sources who were briefed on the findings told the ABC affiliate.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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