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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I don't think so. I suffered from cluster headaches since before anyone knew what a cluster headache was. It feels like if you could just put a hole or crack in your skull all the pain would seep out. So in desperation more than once I went out the the garage, sat on the ground and threw myself as hard as I could backwards into the concrete floor. I may have caused a few hairline cracks, but my neck and any real damage didn't happen. Of course someone can break there own nose, that's easy, one can bang one's own head and create bloody mess, but based on my own experience, I seriously doubt anyone can break there own neck without the benefit of a mechanical assist like a noose or something along those lines. When you're slamming your own head, your neck muscles protect your spine because they are being used and therefore taut. Sorry, it just isn't at all likely.
    Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
    Whatever bs you have to tell yourself to cling to your ignorance about the police and how they treat the poor.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies.
    Nothing hateful about that. It's the truth. Let's see, St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago and Obama's and Eric Holders response to the Ferguson riots that were based on a LIE says it all. A list to LEO's on how not to be a " racist " and then back to ignoring the real issues that affect the inner city. THAT'S hateful.


    I will do these one at a time.

    When did I ever say Obama and Eric Holder were Progressive. I gave you an article on how the protesters in Ferguson feel about black leadership. Did you read it? What the hell makes you think Rep's will do anything to help people in the inner city. Your being disingenuous, & could care less about poor & inner city people. You just want to spew Right Wing crap about how this would not have happened if a Rep was in charge. I said it didn't matter who was in charge. They are pretty much the same.

    Your just saying look how bad one side is, my side is better. Truth is, its not. this is total Right Wing rhetoric, & reeks of Fox News.

    Its late will get to the rest tomorrow.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    OK one more, & its bed time.

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    This politicization of " Police brutality " so maybe the Democrats can sign up a few voters has gone on long enough.
    Not " hate ", just the truth...
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    Like Rep's would not do the same to get votes. In fact they do, please tell me they don't try to appeal to there base of Christians, Whites, Gun Nuts, Red Necks, & rich people. Like I said there is not much difference between the parties. Your making an assumption that all black people are stupid, & that they don't know Obama is a fake liberal. When many people, black & white know that voting is putting energy back into a dead system.

    This is rhetoric, hate, & racist. If you meant it that way or not.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    OK I am on a roll here & this one is easy

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    You have no idea what you're talking about..
    Again nothing hateful about the truth.

    Basically, you're saying I'm stupid because I don't agree with you. When I probably know more about what is going on than you. Because you can not see outside your right wing box, & think this is about black people crying about the police. Have you watched or listen to anyone who lives in Baltimore.

    Total hate & a poor try at being a smart ass in your reply.

    Please let me know if you want me to continue.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies.
    Nothing hateful about that. It's the truth. Let's see, St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago and Obama's and Eric Holders response to the Ferguson riots that were based on a LIE says it all. A list to LEO's on how not to be a " racist " and then back to ignoring the real issues that affect the inner city. THAT'S hateful.


    I will do these one at a time.

    When did I ever say Obama and Eric Holder were Progressive. I gave you an article on how the protesters in Ferguson feel about black leadership. Did you read it? What the hell makes you think Rep's will do anything to help people in the inner city. Your being disingenuous, & could care less about poor & inner city people. You just want to spew Right Wing crap about how this would not have happened if a Rep was in charge. I said it didn't matter who was in charge. They are pretty much the same.

    Your just saying look how bad one side is, my side is better. Truth is, its not. this is total Right Wing rhetoric, & reeks of Fox News.

    Its late will get to the rest tomorrow.
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    Thanks
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Summer, there are cases all the time of freak accidents that occur where people injure and kill themselves. I was watching a forensic files case where they were investigating how a man had died. They discovered that he had sliped on the tile floor, hit his head on a broom handle which caused a fracture and an open head would. Which he passed out from and eventually blead to death from while he was passed out. Things happen. It seems that this could be one of many things. Freak accident, maybe he was moving around in the van and he slipped or fell while the van was moving and hit his head. Or its possible he was trying to injure himself in order to stay in the hospital rather then stay in the jail until his trial. Its also possible that something may have occurred that we don't know about yet because we don't have all the evidence and there was some type of police brutality. Right now, we really don't know. But don't let that stop people from burning business, killing cops, destroying and stealing property and harassing innocent civilians.
    I've come to the conclusion (albeit that it may be the wrong one) that this guy was injured before he went into the van. That the banging etc the prisoner heard was him being thrashed about in handcuffs and unable to get on his feet. Probably one of those rough rides cops talk about -- and that they should be fired for. Injured who knows for sure how -- and instead of being placed in a neck brace and transported on a backboard -- given the ride of his life and no medical treatment until it was too late.

    I hope our legal system begins treating cops present at wrong-doing the same as they do the guy who drives the get-away car when his bank-robbing friends kill a guard. Complicit and just as guilty as the guy holding the gun.


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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    like Ignoring the fact that black communities are now one false allegation away from being destroyed from within because a bunch of idiots, leftist and Democrats ( distinction without a difference ) keep perpetuating the " Hands up dont shoot " Police brutality false narrative
    Black communities are being destroyed, & it has nothing to do with " Hands up dont shoot " Police brutality is not a false narrative & how would you know anyway. Do you live there, are you black, have you gone into the heart of the matter. They are ignored by both parties, being forced out of their homes, so their land can be bought for pennies on the dollar. Police use their neighborhood like an ATM, & act like an occupying force.

    Exactly. If your'e focused on narratives and think that Police brutality is the issue after watching what happened in Ferguson or Baltimore then your priorities are a bit mixed up. Hateful is thinking that ending Police brutality ( whether it exist or not ) is going to fix whats wrong with inner cites.
    Right Wing rhetoric double speak that ignores facts & what is really going on.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I've come to the conclusion (albeit that it may be the wrong one) that this guy was injured before he went into the van. That the banging etc the prisoner heard was him being thrashed about in handcuffs and unable to get on his feet. Probably one of those rough rides cops talk about -- and that they should be fired for. Injured who knows for sure how -- and instead of being placed in a neck brace and transported on a backboard -- given the ride of his life and no medical treatment until it was too late.

    I hope our legal system begins treating cops present at wrong-doing the same as they do the guy who drives the get-away car when his bank-robbing friends kill a guard. Complicit and just as guilty as the guy holding the gun.
    Morning Maggie

    How did you come to these "conclusions"? As far as I know, we haven't seen the autopsy, or the any of the police investigation, so the only way anyone can come to any conclusion is through their own speculation about what they think happened....Remember Ferguson? The instant 'conclusion' was that Wilson shot Brown when his hands were in the air...Which led to the totally false "hands up, don't shoot'' meme, that was proven false....

    If Freddie Grey's injuries were caused by police in the apprehension after his running, and resisting arrest, then yes the evidence will show that, and they are accountable, but if they happened in the van on the way to jail, then we must look at the transport driver, as he is the only one responsible for the custody of Grey at that point...

    Criminalizing policing only serves to ensure that police will not do their jobs. Do we have "bad cops" in the system? Yes, and they should be weeded out, but to use such blanket accusation in demonizing police in general I don't think is correct. We need police doing their jobs in our communities, the alternative we saw last Monday night. Those weren't images that I think make most people feel safe.

    BTW, Now that leaks from the report turned over yesterday to the States atty, seem to say that Grey died from head injuries sustained in the back of the van, and NOT from the arrest, and that is consistent with the report from the other prisoner being transported, that Grey sounded like he was trying to injure himself....I personally don't know, but I haven't made any conclusions yet either.
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