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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    First off, I am not wrong about whether or not Freddie Gray (or any one else for that matter) could possibly break their own neck by purposely banging their head against a wall, any wall. It just does not happen. You may sustain some serious injuries as a result of your self-inflicted wounds, but you are NOT going to break your neck. It simply does not happen.
    Yes you were wrong.
    You clearly stated the following which is wrong.
    "Well, the damage to his voice box could only come from external physical abuse. In other words, someone had to compress his larynx for that to happen."

    Supposedly, his fall after breaking his neck did that.


    As for this banging argument and requiring something else.
    He is thrashing about and slips.
    That is still a result of his banging.
    He is ramming/banging his head agaisnt the rear door and slams it into the bolt, shifting and concentrating the force breaking his neck.
    Still the result of his ramming/banging.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I simply said something had to have happened to him while he was in transit to the police station. Were the police driving erratically? Maybe. Did they take a sudden sharp turn, make a sudden stop or acceleration that might have throw Mr. Gray off balance causing him to lose his footing and bump his head with lethal force against the wall? Very plausible.
    This is you not paying attention to the previously provided info.

    Again:
    Batts said another man who was in the van during the tail end of Gray's ride told investigators that Gray was "was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises" up until the van arrived at the station. Batts said the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."
    Freddie Gray death: Baltimore police prisoner transport under scrutiny - World - CBC News

    That is the evidence, not something else.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    In fact, the link video you provided concludes that's exactly what happened.
    No. "naughty In fact it makes no such conclusion that this was cause by the movement of the van.
    The report clearly stated "and for some reason, went flying in the van".

    Some reason! And as the evidence says the van was not being driven erratically, speeding or making sudden stops, the focus goes right back Gray's actions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, while you're trying to make me look foolish, maybe you should re-examine why you were so quick to accept another "thug's" account of Mr. Gray's self-inflicted wounds before you subsequently discovered this video.
    The only one that can make you look foolish is you by your replies.

    And this nonsense about believing another thug is just that, nonsense.
    For some reason people do not understand that there needs to be something there to question any persons word.
    Simple speculation is not sufficient.
    As it stands, it is evidence, and it happens to coincide with the physical evidence.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
    You'd prefer to blame the dead guy, I guess. Remind me again, what colour was he?

    Ah, now it makes sense.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You'd prefer to blame the dead guy, I guess. Remind me again, what colour was he?

    Ah, now it makes sense.
    Absurd reply.

    The arresting Officers did not cause the injury as almost everyone jumped to conclusion of.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
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    This whole conversation seems ridiculous to me. He's intentionally trying to injure himself based on what another guy said who was in the van for 5 minutes with Freddie? And that guy also said that he was "mostly quiet" and it's not possible to believe he was both making constant banging noises and was also mostly quiet so I will choose to believe nothing this man said. Also, he couldn't see Freddie, or at least all of the above is my understanding based on what I've read. I'm not going to make any conclusions based on this, I have stayed away from the conversation thus far and will wait until the investigation is complete.
    He was mostly quiet, except when he was making those banging noises. There is also talk about him having previous spinal surgery due to an auto accident.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    The prisoner denies saying any such thing, and the injury happened in the van.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Absurd reply.
    Not absurd, logical, based on your track record.

    Come back to me when you leap to the defence of LEOs accused of contributing to the death of a white guy. Your concerns and prejudices are pretty transparent.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Not absurd, logical, based on your track record.

    Come back to me when you leap to the defence of LEOs accused of contributing to the death of a white guy. Your concerns and prejudices are pretty transparent.
    I'm not sure Excon is a racist as much as he's a classist and since there is a majority of non-whites in the impoverished class, it comes off as racism.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm not sure Excon is a racist as much as he's a classist and since there is a majority of non-whites in the impoverished class, it comes off as racism.
    Well, you may be correct, but I don't think we've ever seen a murdered black man he didn't turn into gang-banging thug.
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