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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    We are an Empire in Decline. One of the signs is hero Worship of Police & Military. You can see that all over this thread. Your right somethings got to give, more than likely an economic collapse.

    Funny how people all over the world see it. Most of America is in a propaganda coma, but people are starting to wake up.
    They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies. Proof is in the results of the 2014 Midterms.

    Now people all over the world are getting a good look at the consequences of Decades of Democrat monopolies as they watch people trash a City and its officers based on a hunch.

    Good. Light disinfects.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They're waking up to the ravages of Liberal Progressive policies. Proof is in the results of the 2014 Midterms.

    Now people all over the world are getting a good look at the consequences of Decades of Democrat monopolies as they watch people trash a City and its officers based on a hunch.

    Good. Light disinfects.
    See what I mean by Right Wing Hate propaganda. This guy thinks Obama has power. When he just works for the corporate state, just like GWB.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    See what I mean by Right Wing Hate propaganda. This guy thinks Obama has power. When he just works for the corporate state, just like GWB.
    The truth is the differences between your two political parties (that generate such immense sound and fury here) are miniscule given ultimately they serve only themselves and the needs their financial backers. The real world and the concerns of the average voter come a long way second to those ends. Here in the UK our system isn't perfect either but it certainly isn't as broken as yours (yet) thankfully

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is myth.
    You do realize criminals are not the most trust worthy people? that is why they are in jail or prison in the first place.

    They are no more or less liars than those in the general public.
    A snitch's testimony can get him or herself a more lenient sentence. That means they have a lot of motivation to lie.

    There is nothing to suggest that is the case.

    His statement was known from the beginning and was obtained through investigation.
    The guy is facing jail or prison time.Are you trying to tell me that he would not have any motivation to lie in order to get a more lenient sentence?
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    ....and THAT is how you get off YOUR charges

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize criminals are not the most trust worthy people? that is why they are in jail or prison in the first place.
    Oh Gawd. No.
    Each individual must be judge based on their individual circumstances.


    Most cases are resolved through plea. You do understand that right?
    That is them admitting to their crime.
    Which is being truthful.
    By that fact alone you could say that most are truthful.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A snitch's testimony can get him or herself a more lenient sentence. That means they have a lot of motivation to lie.


    The guy is facing jail or prison time.Are you trying to tell me that he would not have any motivation to lie in order to get a more lenient sentence?
    All irrelevant, as there is nothing suggesting that is what happened. Do you or do you not understand that?

    It was known from the beginning and obtained by investigation, not by promise of reduced anything.

    That is was known from the beginning and obtained through investigative questioning is a pretty good indication that no prosecutor was involved to make any promises.

    Without any information saying otherwise, the suggestion that it was made in trade for "whatever", is absurdity
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

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    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was



    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.
    the coroner's report was just released that finds that his fatal injury came from his being slammed into the police van. I believe they said there was a bolt on the van that matched the injury. The report does not indicate how this happened though his own actions appear to be the culprit
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the coroner's report was just released that finds that his fatal injury came from his being slammed into the police van. I believe they said there was a bolt on the van that matched the injury. The report does not indicate how this happened though his own actions appear to be the culprit
    Thank you.
    Here is a link to the thread.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...sport-van.html (Preliminary findings show Freddie Gray suffered head injury in police transport van)
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I am talking about him being alone in the van. Could he have gained enough momentum to brake his own neck?
    Oh, I see, Lovebug. I heard a newscaster supposedly quoting a doctor saying it would be impossible for someone to break their own neck. I'm not sure a doctor is qualified as an expert in that subject, however. My common sense tells me that people break their own necks falling all the time. I'd say it's very possible. But I'm no expert either. (Ha!)


    Thank you, Quazi!

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

    BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

    [...]

    Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was

    Maybe folks were to quick to blame police.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I do not believe it is possible to break your own neck by slamming your head against a wall nor collapsing your own throat when handcuffed.

    There are millions of dollars, prosecutions of police, and probably lost higher-up jobs, plus riots to deal with. In short, I do not believe he broke his own neck and collapsed his own throat.

    But you tell me how a handcuffed person in the immediately presence of police could break his own neck and collapse his own throat if you want to believe that. It's as believable as claiming someone shot themselves in the back of the head 3 times. I think making this explanation is just going to piss people off even more.

    It is interesting to see how quickly two members who claim people who are arrested lie, but absolutely believe this prisoner as if the edict from God himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    This takes 10 days to come out, & its from the corporate media? OH it has to be the truth. LOL
    While it's true that some convicts, believing they can later claim police brutality, have attempted to inflict harm unto themselves while in police custody, it's difficult to believe that this young man could have inflicted such severe damage unto himself, i.e., breaking his own neck and nearly crush his voice box, from the brief time he was in the custody of the Baltimore PD (30 minutes). Even if all he was doing was banging his head against the walls of the police van there's no way he'd cause that kind of damage to himself, not without assistance (i.e., van took an unexpected sharp turn). But even that would point to negligence on the part of Baltimore's finest since they failed to secure their suspect during transport as required by law.

    So, while I hear you, I disagree with your assessment.
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