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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am sure someone has brought up the fact that prisoners are not the most trustworthy people.
    That is myth.
    They are no more or less liars than those in the general public.



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This guy could be lying for a lenient sentence. So he has a lot of motivation to lie in favor of the police.
    There is nothing to suggest that is the case.

    His statement was known from the beginning and was obtained through investigation.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I haven't read all 19 pages but I am sure someone has brought up the fact that prisoners are not the most trustworthy people. This guy could be lying for a lenient sentence. So he has a lot of motivation to lie in favor of the police.
    Oh, but they are. Mother Theresa is more shady.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    If that is what truly happened, he may have been trying to get bruises on his back and neck, but it may have backfired on him. It only takes 8 pounds of pressure to break a bone. If he was high on PCP or some other drug, then he would have been much stronger than a normal man and have been able to do more damage.
    PCP does not give you superhuman strength

    This whole conversation seems ridiculous to me. He's intentionally trying to injure himself based on what another guy said who was in the van for 5 minutes with Freddie? And that guy also said that he was "mostly quiet" and it's not possible to believe he was both making constant banging noises and was also mostly quiet so I will choose to believe nothing this man said. Also, he couldn't see Freddie, or at least all of the above is my understanding based on what I've read. I'm not going to make any conclusions based on this, I have stayed away from the conversation thus far and will wait until the investigation is complete.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    And that guy also said that he was "mostly quiet"
    I have heard that claim, but you might want to link to a reliable source for that, as the information in this thread was known from the beginning, was obtained through investigation and confirmed through leaked affidavit.
    He didn't go quite until they reached their destination.


    Apparently the only reporter to hear such was Jayne Miller.
    That may be an indication that she misheard.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    I'm afraid that is what happens when the political left is absent and the political elites then only serve the aspirations of a smaller and smaller clique of the overpriveleged.

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    Sounds like you have read Death of the Liberal Class. Great Book. That's what most of the clowns in here don't see. There is no political left anymore. Just Right Wing hate propaganda.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Show me a major city in America with a long history of Republican leadership.

    The problem with these cities is that they are not attractive to business start ups either through uneducated workforce, taxes, or the chance that your business will get burnt down when the ignorant population gets mad at the city government.

    Baltimore has very serious issues that have nothing to do with the police force that just got worse with these riots. Do you think businesses will flood back in to these communities? Think again. The cost of insurance just went up and the dumb ass Democrats in charge of the city are ALREADY floating the idea of raising taxes as a solution.

    They're doomed.
    But the question still stands. So you got something or what. If you think Rep's are the answer to all our problems. We are doomed.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    Sounds like you have read Death of the Liberal Class. Great Book. That's what most of the clowns in here don't see. There is no political left anymore. Just Right Wing hate propaganda.
    Well of course there is a political left but its just not represented in the US. I often feel like I'm watching a slow motion implosion over there with your ever increasing levels of destitution. Its a model that cannot run forever like this without major consequences eventually

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well of course there is a political left but its just not represented in the US. I often feel like I'm watching a slow motion implosion over there with your ever increasing levels of destitution. Its a model that cannot run forever like this without major consequences eventually
    We are an Empire in Decline. One of the signs is hero Worship of Police & Military. You can see that all over this thread. Your right somethings got to give, more than likely an economic collapse.

    Funny how people all over the world see it. Most of America is in a propaganda coma, but people are starting to wake up.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Are you serious?
    Nothing has been shown to even say the lack of a seat-belt even contributed to his death.
    Do you really not understand that?
    Do you not understand that if he were belted in he could not have been thrown about the van, intentionally or otherwise? We bring up the other prisoner as having said it seemed like Gray was trying to hurt himself. Had be been properly restrained, he could not have done that.

    If he was injured in the van, and not in the arrest beforehand, being properly restrained would have likely prevented this death; particularly if it is true that Gray himself had been trying to hurt himself by thrashing around in the van.

    But whatever. They'll investigate and either we'll find out the police were in the wrong or not. We'll have to see. But you don't seem interested in honest debate, so I guess we'll leave it at that.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    But the question still stands. So you got something or what. If you think Rep's are the answer to all our problems. We are doomed.
    I never said that Republicans are the answer to all of our problems. I think the answer is to stop looking to politicians for the answers.
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