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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    That's you're opinion. That does not make the statement false. If you like I have a link for lost puppies.

    No, that is not opinion.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

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    No, that is not opinion.
    Seek & you shall find. Best of luck to you.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    I don't like either party, but since you are in love with Rep's, please tell us what they have done for black, white, poor in any city in America.
    Show me a major city in America with a long history of Republican leadership.

    The problem with these cities is that they are not attractive to business start ups either through uneducated workforce, taxes, or the chance that your business will get burnt down when the ignorant population gets mad at the city government.

    Baltimore has very serious issues that have nothing to do with the police force that just got worse with these riots. Do you think businesses will flood back in to these communities? Think again. The cost of insurance just went up and the dumb ass Democrats in charge of the city are ALREADY floating the idea of raising taxes as a solution.

    They're doomed.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I feel sorry for you and those who think like you - it makes your life so much more difficult and stressful. I have zero attitude towards police and as a result I've had nothing but professional experiences when dealing with them. But then, I also respect the laws that have been established by the society in which I live, so that makes it easy not to "cop" an attitude. And those laws I don't like? I work the system to try to change them - I don't just ignore and/or break them.
    ..with all due respect, you are Canadian. Your experiences here to not fully translate to the U.S. Although there are not a ton of cultural differences between the US and Canada, there are some, particularly in matters relating to respect for authority (hell, you stand on a street corner in Canada late a night with no car in sight and people wait for the "Walk" sign). That respect generally works both ways in Canada. The Canadian police also respect back. They don't take themselves seriously (are they buying military surplus to outfit themselves as domestic army?). There are no where near the number of allegations of police brutality in Canada as there are in the US. Moreover, Canada has no obvious inner-city economic blight, very minor economic fragmentation and less racial tension overall.

    Sorry Canada, but your anecdotes don't translate here. Comment on things you are qualified to comment on. This is not one of them.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    I see no difference in Rep's or Dem's. Most are sell outs & owned by the corporate state.
    I'm afraid that is what happens when the political left is absent and the political elites then only serve the aspirations of a smaller and smaller clique of the overpriveleged.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Just dropping in, and maybe reading out of context, but someone's neck can be snapped if one can stand next to or behind someone. Just ask Special Forces.
    I am talking about him being alone in the van. Could he have gained enough momentum to brake his own neck?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ..with all due respect, you are Canadian. Your experiences here to not fully translate to the U.S. Although there are not a ton of cultural differences between the US and Canada, there are some, particularly in matters relating to respect for authority (hell, you stand on a street corner in Canada late a night with no car in sight and people wait for the "Walk" sign). That respect generally works both ways in Canada. The Canadian police also respect back. They don't take themselves seriously (are they buying military surplus to outfit themselves as domestic army?). There are no where near the number of allegations of police brutality in Canada as there are in the US. Moreover, Canada has no obvious inner-city economic blight, very minor economic fragmentation and less racial tension overall.

    Sorry Canada, but your anecdotes don't translate here. Comment on things you are qualified to comment on. This is not one of them.
    As arrogant a reply as it is wrong.
    They most certainly do translate, and their lack of a significant population of disgruntled minorities who want to blame everyone but themselves matters as well.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I am talking about him being alone in the van. Could he have gained enough momentum to brake his own neck?
    Definitely. If he slammed his back or neck against those hard steel bench corners he could easily break his spine, especially if he already had a slipped disk or other spinal injury from wrecking his bike.

    But essentially if he fell any distance he would have focused his full weight into a very narrow area --the edge of the bench -- which, if it happened to impact the connective cartilage between two vertebrae, would have separated his spine as easily as a knife driven into the same spot.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The man died, how is risk to life an exaggeration when it has a non-zero probability of happening?
    Are you serious?
    Nothing has been shown to even say the lack of a seat-belt even contributed to his death.
    Do you really not understand that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We don't know if it matters yet or not. But it does show that the police haven't been completely honest with their initial reports. That's, at best, mildly concerning.
    No, we can almost be certain that it doesn't matter, had it mattered they likely would have said so.
    And no, there is o claim of dishonest that can be made here. That is nothing more than more assumption from you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He died, obviously not restraining him risks life.

    Wow! What an extremely wrong and absurd argument.
    There exist no known correlation between the two.
    You have no idea if it contributed or not. So stop making foolish arguments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    He was either thrown around
    Oh Gawd.
    Most folks know to stop making arguments that directly contradict the known evidence.

    the man also said the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically."


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    or thrashing around the van, had he been seatbelted in, that could not have happened.
    Wrong.
    A person can still thrash around while seatbelted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And that must be demonstrated. To risk injury (how's that, you like that one more) to the restrained and chained suspect needs justification that will need to be demonstrated. I'm sure the investigation looks at that too.
    And again. It is a valid reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's all functionally equivalent. He was kicking and making noise, Jesus.
    Jesus! Just stop with the dishonesty.
    It is not the functional equivalent.
    One is factual the other is an exaggeration.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You've taken it out of context to make that claim,
    Wrong. It was not out of context. Which is apparent by you continuing to say it is true when it is not . It is an assumption that you can not even back up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    of which nothing there exonerated the police.

    Try to be a little honest, can ya?
    This is your dishonesty, as the two are not the same.
    Again, one is an assumption and the other is an observation.

    Do you really not understand the difference?
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Definitely. If he slammed his back or neck against those hard steel bench corners he could easily break his spine, especially if he already had a slipped disk or other spinal injury from wrecking his bike.
    We will hopefully find out once the autopsy report is released.

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