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Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

Your bias is showing, better pull it up.

I'm not the one making statements like " he was thrown into the back of the Van "

THAT'S bias. Bias is protesting and rioting before the facts have been released
 
First a Prosecutor is hardly a objective resource. Her husband was part of the demonstration before anyone knew anything.

LOL so that is where Fox News and the US right is going..... good to know.

Nect, 2cnd degree murder is a non-premeditated assault that where homicide may be likely.

Is it or is it not a murder charge?

All the other charges are BS ( so is the second degree murder charge )

Well we shall see, but the evidence we have seen makes it far from BS.

No one grabbed Freddie Gray and " threw him into the back of the van ". So where's the " assault " ?

And this is utterly irrelevant as it is not based on the facts. The charges are based on the facts.

Like it or not, Gray died in police custody. An investigation has now shown that the cops involved broke department rules multiple times and these transgressions at least contributed to his death. This is a crime. You would also be charged if you stood over a person watching them dying and not doing anything to help them.
 
Helpful hint (though some will undoubtedly willfully ignore it): Charges are sometimes based partially on what they think they can win. Not always and solely on what the charge should be.
 
I'm not the one making statements like " he was thrown into the back of the Van "

THAT'S bias. Bias is protesting and rioting before the facts have been released

I never made that statement. Actually, I mentioned that we would see what the investigation revealed. Now that we have, you don't seem to accept what's been put forth. It's a little odd that you trust the police but not the prosecutor. Why is that? Lol.
 
Is it or is it not a murder charge?

Involuntary or second degree at most I think is appropriate. I don't believe this was a premeditated murder. I fear that we over-prosecute with murder charges these days.
 
That is odd, the only one you embarrassed was you and you are doing it to yourself again.
You clearly failed to see that I already provided a video of his interview with the reporter. :doh

Secondly nothing he currently says really changes much of what has already been argued. The substance is still the same. There was no "rough ride/nickle ride", he was still moving when he was put into the van and his moving stopped as they arrived at their destination.

Your OP makes the claim that the other person in the van says Gray was trying to injure himself. This has been shown to be false. There is no way to make that more clear than it already is.

And as previously pointed out, what currently matters his is statements as already given being in the hands of the Prosecutor who is making the decisions in this case.

And the prosecutor just announced there will be a murder charge. BOOM.
 
Involuntary or second degree at most I think is appropriate. I don't believe this was a premeditated murder. I fear that we over-prosecute with murder charges these days.

It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.
 
It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.

And there is a second degree murder charge. When I said "over-prosecute" with murder, I meant that we often charge 1st when maybe 2nd or even manslaughter are more appropriate. There are also charges dealing with negligent duty.
 
It is called second degree MURDER.. and nothing was premeditated that was clear from the start.

At best it was a gross negligence of duty or out right racism... I am thinking more of the first and less of the latter.

" Racism " ? How would you know if the Cops were racist ?

Its that kind of irresponsible nonsense thats leading to riots, violence and destruction in these inner city areas.

And a Prosecutor who just happens to be married to a City Council member AND who's largest contributor is the attorney of Freddie Gray is hardly objective.

Its obvious she threw every charge she could hoping one would stick.

She' s seeking " justice " ? Yea right.
 
" Racism " ? How would you know if the Cops were racist ?

Its that kind of irresponsible nonsense thats leading to riots, violence and destruction in these inner city areas.

And a Prosecutor who just happens to be married to a City Council member AND who's largest contributor is the attorney of Freddie Gray is hardly objective.

Its obvious she threw every charge she could hoping one would stick.

She' s seeking " justice " ? Yea right.

We'll find out. The State must be able to prove these charges to a jury.
 
" Racism " ? How would you know if the Cops were racist ?

Comes down to motivation of the white cops against a black suspect.

Its that kind of irresponsible nonsense thats leading to riots, violence and destruction in these inner city areas.

No it is the actions of irresponsible corrupt police and local government that is leading to riots, violence and destruction.

And a Prosecutor who just happens to be married to a City Council member AND who's largest contributor is the attorney of Freddie Gray is hardly objective.

And you can back up these claims of course?

Its obvious she threw every charge she could hoping one would stick.

She' s seeking " justice " ? Yea right.

LOL seriously? Breaking police rules, false arrest... those charges are some how wrong?
 
We'll find out. The State must be able to prove these charges to a jury.

They three every charge they could at these Police.

No way they bring all those charges to trial. This is to stop the riots.

They will have to prove IINTENT to get them on the Second degree murder charge.

If a Police Officer didn't literally enter into the van,close the door behind him and slam the prisoner into the back of the van, then they won't be successful with their prosecution.
 
Comes down to motivation of the white cops against a black suspect.



No it is the actions of irresponsible corrupt police and local government that is leading to riots, violence and destruction.



And you can back up these claims of course?



LOL seriously? Breaking police rules, false arrest... those charges are some how wrong?

You have bo idea what your'e talking about. These are your biased opinions and you're wasting goid bandwidth posting them.
 
They three every charge they could at these Police.

No way they bring all those charges to trial. This is to stop the riots.

They will have to prove IINTENT to get them on the Second degree murder charge.

If a Police Officer didn't literally enter into the van,close the door behind him and slam the prisoner into the back of the van, then they won't be successful with their prosecution.

You have no clue, just the temerity to accuse others of it.
 
No, law enforcement investigating law enforcement, lol. A system used by many European countries of total independence would be preferred.

Who would you suggest, since you indicate you probably wouldn't trust the FBI? Now, if you bring in independent citizens, who have no investigative abilities, only their biases, then you muck up the case so it is unsalvageable.
 
You have no clue, just the temerity to accuse others of it.

Sure I do.

Yesterday the Medical examiner said there was no evidence that Gray was injured by the Police during his arrest or while he was in the back of the van.

The Medical examiner said wounds on Freddies head matched a bolt on the back of the Van.

Now today its " Homicide ". LOL !!! Something happened over night to change the narrative.

How corrupt is the Baltimore City Government ? Throwing their Police under the Bus.
 
I was watching the DA on TV when she made the announcement. Afterwards, several former judges were interviewed. Judge Alex Ferrer said that unless she has other extenuating evidence, he doesn't see manslaughter sticking, and it's going to be hard to prove, especially since no outward injuries were committed personally by the police. Judge Ferrer, also was a police officer as well so he brings a lot of experience to the table. They also interviewed Judge Jeannine Pirro, and she said that Maryln Mosby seems very sure of herself and must have some kind of impelling evidence to apply these charges.

Now, it's my opinion, for what it is worth, but she has about 4 months as the prosecutor. She is very new, and this is her first case. She wants to look good for her constituents, and maybe get awarded rookie of the year. It's all political here, and it makes me think of the witch hunt conjured up by the NC prosecuting attorney on his pursuit of the Duke lacrosse players.
 
Comes down to motivation of the white cops against a black suspect.



No it is the actions of irresponsible corrupt police and local government that is leading to riots, violence and destruction.



And you can back up these claims of course?



LOL seriously? Breaking police rules, false arrest... those charges are some how wrong?

The rioting is the action of irresponsible thugs, who have no respect for others' personal property, but think the government owes them for their perceived discrimination, when it's their own fault, they didn't get too far in their life's career.
 
The rioting is the action of irresponsible thugs, who have no respect for others' personal property, but think the government owes them for their perceived discrimination, when it's their own fault, they didn't get too far in their life's career.

I see.. so racism is not a problem nor police brutality? Shooting someone in the back is just normal in the US? Stopping people because of their skin colour.. is just standard operating procedure right? Why are so many right wingers in the US in such denial?
 
So, a guy who can't see what's happening on the other side of the van should be used as a material witness to give credence to the story that a man severed his own spine and thereby exonerate the police...and with distorted statements he has personally refuted?

You can't possibly be serious.

I dont see where i claimed that. In fact, I literally suggested the opposite.
 
I see.. so racism is not a problem nor police brutality? Shooting someone in the back is just normal in the US? Stopping people because of their skin colour.. is just standard operating procedure right? Why are so many right wingers in the US in such denial?

Why are so many left wingers so friken gullible ?
 
Why are so many left wingers so friken gullible ?

So with all the cases of police brutality and miss-conduct in the US by the police and judicial system, you call me gullible?
 
I see.. so racism is not a problem nor police brutality? Shooting someone in the back is just normal in the US? Stopping people because of their skin colour.. is just standard operating procedure right? Why are so many right wingers in the US in such denial?

You are comparing apples to oranges. You defend the rioting as a black person's right just because one of their own was unjustly arrested and injured while in custody. A lot of that has happened in the US and not just to black people, but to whites as well. Yet, for all that injustice, I never see thousands of whites rioting in the streets. Why is that? Are whites more civilized?
 
Maybe this is a dumb question...but do police vans not have seat belts?



I was under the impression that buckling up was the law?
 
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