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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    so far this appears to be an anonymous source,
    What?
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Fair enough, but it's foolish to not recognize that the poor are preyed upon because they don't have the resources to fight back. Not just by cops but by all manner of power and money hungry entities. Especially the police, justice, and penal systems we currently have. So it is about bad cops, in that those cops take their aggressions out on the impoverished because they know they can get away with it. But that same cop might be a true hero in another part of town servicing an upscale citizen. Add to that the aforementioned support system, that traps so many of the poor never be able to advance in anyway reasonable way.
    I am not sure what your point is.

    That it sucks to be poor? No doubt it does.

    But rioting is not the answer.

    And my point is that the riots are due to almost entirely the poverty of the areas, not the police corruption of those areas.
    And when the media blames the cops for the riots, then that deflects the blame from the real cause - the poverty.

    It amazes me that the poverty cause seems to be almost ignored. All people talk about are the bad cops. That is missing the point. It's like people have given up on fixing the poverty and now they are just whining about the results of that poverty. In this case, bad policing.

    If you have a poor area then you will have more police corruption...that is obvious and unavoidable. If people expect to have non-corrupt, perfect policing in poor areas...forget it - not realistically possible. Unless you build Robocops, policing in 'ghettos' will always be FAR more corrupt then in decent economic areas. Always has been that way and it probably always will be.

    Bad cops are not the main problem - poverty is. Get rid of the latter and you will probably get rid of the former.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    How gullible do hey think people are? Wait a week and then announce "oh uhh he totally broke his own neck on purpose!"

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No it doesn't.
    Do you or do you not understand that we have different laws that those other nations?
    Dead at the hands of police is dead in whatever nation you choose to look at

    This argument is laughable as well as dumb.
    One incidence means nothing to your overall claim.
    Especially as that man was aggressively charging the and did not follow the Officers commands.
    Yes but its funny cases like this just seem to keep happening over and over again yet only in the US isn't it ?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Link ?



    How so ?



    But that was a civil war ! Hardly comparable



    Groups advocating what exactly ?

    Liberal blog: U.S. cops killed more people in one month than U.K. cops killed last century | PunditFact

    I could dig into the actual information cited, but I'm not really interested.

    As to civil war, why are your trying to push that there is a "war" on by US Cops, but you don't want to count your "war"? So you want to qualify deaths at the hands of police?

    The fact is, the "per capita" claim is completely false, as it draws assumptions from a fraction of the police agencies, and the data that is available is comingled with other reported deaths that aren't related. There are thousands of police agencies across the US that haven't experienced a police shooting in years, yet they also don't report to the data base activists and control groups like those behind the stats your pushing like to use.

    As to your final question, let's not play games. You've been around long enough, and the links you've provided are right out of the anti-police/anti gun play book. The Center for Research on Globalization was founded by a nutjob who believes governments knew about the pending Indian Ocean Tsunami and purposefully kept it from people.

    Given the links you provided are the most commonly used to push your narrative, I would suggest you have used them before, and you have likely received similar responses as mine, pointing out the flawed nature of their conclusions. If that is the case, it's clear you have decided to ignore those factual responses to continue to push your agenda. If that is not the case, then what I have provided in response should give rise to a bit of caution before using this flawed data to make a point.

    I have admitted there is probably no doubt more police shootings occur in the US, than in the UK.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Obviously there is stuff leaking out found in the investigation that doesn't show this to be a cut and dried intentional action on behalf of officers. What I read stated that from the time of the arrest to the time Gray received medical attention was 45 minutes. New York Times has a piece today that states there are government officials and community faith leaders going to the schools to curb the students expectations before the report is released.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us...iots.html?_r=0

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Of course it is possible. Not to recognize that is absurd.


    Truth usually does piss off a certain portion of our population.


    What reason do you have to doubt what he says?
    Are you going on record that people arrested by the police should always be presumed to be telling the truth?

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Dead at the hands of police is dead in whatever nation you choose to look at



    Yes but its funny cases like this just seem to keep happening over and over again yet only in the US isn't it ?
    There is nothing to show this only happens in the USA. Nothing whatsoever.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How gullible do hey think people are? Wait a week and then announce "oh uhh he totally broke his own neck on purpose!"
    If this thread is proof of anything, is that there are a ton of gullible idiots in this world. Can you imagine? Guy breaks his own neck and crushes his own windpipe, in the back of a van, while handcuffed.... just to... what? Die and get away from the police forever and ever? It's chutzpa.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Criminals are scum of the earth. Never to be believed... unless they say what we want them to say when we want them to say it. Then suddenly, they're as honest as the day is long.

    The alleged "logic" behind this is amazing.
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