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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    We probably won't see the facts because the only one, who knows what actually happened is dead. I don't think the cops ride chaperone in the paddy wagon with the prisoners.
    We haven't heard much from any experts, but I would like to know if it is even possible to gain enough momentum to break a person's neck in such a confined area.
    I venture to say it is not.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your claims are again biased bs.
    Use of force does not indicate wrongdoing on the part of Police.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I've personally conducted research involving secondary confessions. I've written and presented research on secondary and false confessions. I've read hundreds of articles from academic, news, and government sources. I've assisted with the review of police reports evaluating eyewitness and secondary confession evidence for expert testimony presented at trial. I believe I am qualified to differentiate between a witness statement and the statement of a secondary informant (e.g., a snitch).
    So which one do you believe this is, I notice you still don't answer. Instead you seem to be having the need to blow smoke up your own ass, which doesn't even sound credible based on your posts around here.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    How would you know the police chief is telling the truth or merely cow towing to political correctness? There have been police chiefs, who have thrown their officers under the bus if it meant keeping their jobs. If these officers violated the code of conduct, why hasn't more evidence come out to that effect? It still seems like their actions are being kept under wraps.
    Hahahaha hahahaha, the baltimore police chief is lying. Ok, well either way, seems to me the baltimore police department has a credibility problem, but then the Sun has only been DOCUMENTING THAT FOR YEARS.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded. The police chief confessed that officers VIOLATED DEPARTMENT CODE OF CONDUCT!!

    That is not a confession.
    That is a statement that may or may not bear out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're the one deficient of credibility.
    No that would be you focusing on this as I never denied it what the Commissioner said.
    But way not to recognize that in your convoluted and extremely biased attempt to cast aspersions.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    I can't believe the lack of skepticism on this prisoner's sudden claim, especially considering said prisoner couldn't see what Gray was doing. I mean, does no one here find it reasonable to question this claim. It's especially questionable with the fact that this particular police force already has a past record of "unusual injuries" of other suspects—several of which resulted in a suspect's neck being severed and paralyzing him and another separate case where a plumber died from the paralysis done by a "rough ride" neck injury.

    Freddie Gray not the first to come out of Baltimore police van with serious injuries - Baltimore Sun

    It think it's pretty clear that this has passed the point of just being isolated "coincidences" when so many suspects have suffered from neck injuries that led to paralysis done by the same police force.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Indeed . Since 1900 some 52 people have been killed by police in England. Thats less than half the number killed by US law enforcement in March 2015 alone (111). Even allowing for six fold the population disparity thats quite a statistic !
    As has been proven a hundred times in reference to the reports cited in your links, the "per capita" conclusion is false, and contrived. All your cites are using data that is incomplete, or non-specific. Nothing of real substance can be concluded from the information.

    Your 52 people killed by police in England is equally false.




    The British advocacy group Inquest has looked at police incidents in England and Wales going back to 1990. By its count, there were 55 police shooting deaths between 1990 and the present. The group reports another 1,453 deaths that had some connection to contact with police. However, the causes range from someone dying of a drug overdose while at a police station, to car thieves killing themselves in a wreck, to suicide while in custody, to excessive use of force by officers.

    There simply is no way to tease out the details. Comparing police shootings to the American data is the only reliable approach.

    The only other country in the United Kingdom for which we found hard numbers was Northern Ireland. Between April 2008 and September 2014, roughly a six-year period, members of the Police Force of Northern Ireland discharged their weapons nine times. However, there is no data on whether any deaths resulted.

    During the times of "The Troubles" from 1968 to about 2000 when separatists, generally Catholics, and unionists, generally Protestants, battled over whether Northern Ireland should break away or remain part of the United Kingdom, there were over 3,000 deaths. Some of those were at the hands of the police.

    Again, you are welcome to present flawed data from advocacy groups anxious to manipulate data and present flawed information, but don't expect them to be taken as anything other than activist propaganda.

    Are there more deaths at the hands of police in general, than in the U.K.? I would have to agree that is true. Is the picture you're painting highly biased and slanted? Absolutely true, as the facts prove.

    Again, at the very least, you don't have to worry about it, other than to push your agenda.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    For a " thoughtful leftist " you sure are coming off as uncaring and cold hearted.

    I mean, why would you offer up such a superficial explanation without acknowledging the decades of poverty that these inner city areas have had to contend with ?

    The riots started because of the decades of Democrat policies that have left inner city areas with a disproportionate amount of crime, poverty and dependence.

    The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality " has been reinforced exponentially by Politicians, activist and idiots looking to capitalize on the destruction and violence that now occurs on a whim.

    After " Hands up dont shoot " was proven to be a lie the Obama administration sent out a list of rules to the LEOs on how not to be a " racist ".

    What about the people that now have to live in a burned out neighborhood ? What about the underlying issues that created such desperation, corruption and lawlessness ?

    Alll ignored by the Obama administration and Eric Holde because to address it would mean acknowledging that their policies or policies that they support created this mess in the first place.
    You really think one is better than the other. GWB put us all in debt & Obama is keeping us there. Same difference.

    The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality "????????? Are you paying any attention to this, or do you get the story straight for Sean Hannity.

    The city payed out 6 mil last year for police brutality. false narrative LOL

    As the people in Baltimore are saying. What is more important property or human life. The police, city, & Fox News think property. Were do you stand?
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    We probably won't see the facts because the only one, who knows what actually happened is dead. I don't think the cops ride chaperone in the paddy wagon with the prisoners.
    Really, the culpable cops don't know what happened. The baltimore police chief has acknowledged in the past that his officers have violated department conduct rules. And, just since 2011, the department has paid out 5.7 million due to lost law suits. Think credibility ok.
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    We'll this sure does.

    At a news conference Friday at police headquarters, Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said that officers violated department policies while Gray was in their custody.

    Baltimore police acknowledge mistakes in Freddie Gray's death - Baltimore Sun

    Stop denying it and your own credibility.
    Something is wrong with your thought process here.
    I have denied nothing. And it is your credibility that is suffering with this nonsense you are presenting.

    The Commissioner believing policy was violated does not mean that the Officers cause the injuries.
    Do you or do you not understand that?
    Don't bother answering as it is obvious you don't.
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