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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    This takes 10 days to come out, & its from the corporate media? OH it has to be the truth. LOL
    It came out from the leftist media mouthpieces so that should make you sit up and pay attention. It sure wasn't squelched by them, which is often the case.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There you go speaking that nonsense again.
    And no, rational Americans do not go around making false claims of abuse and jumping to conclusions like those on your side do.



    Now you are straight up lying.


    Yes, that is what you do to claim abuse.
    To the bolded. The police chief confessed that officers VIOLATED DEPARTMENT CODE OF CONDUCT!! You're the one deficient of credibility.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    That riot started because the city & police shut down the subway & buses, they even ordered high school kids off of some buses. So lets stop these kids from getting home & confront them in police riot gear. I wonder what would happen, a riot maybe?

    Also, you wont see it on Fox News, but the cops were throwing rocks at the people also.
    For a " thoughtful leftist " you sure are coming off as uncaring and cold hearted.

    I mean, why would you offer up such a superficial explanation without acknowledging the decades of poverty that these inner city areas have had to contend with ?

    The riots started because of the decades of Democrat policies that have left inner city areas with a disproportionate amount of crime, poverty and dependence.

    The riots started because a false narrative of " Police brutality " has been reinforced exponentially by Politicians, activist and idiots looking to capitalize on the destruction and violence that now occurs on a whim.

    After " Hands up dont shoot " was proven to be a lie the Obama administration sent out a list of rules to the LEOs on how not to be a " racist ".

    What about the people that now have to live in a burned out neighborhood ? What about the underlying issues that created such desperation, corruption and lawlessness ?

    Alll ignored by the Obama administration and Eric Holde because to address it would mean acknowledging that their policies or policies that they support created this mess in the first place.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Outside of your deeply flawed and in the CRG's case, fanatical claims, at least you can be thankful you're in England.
    Indeed . Since 1900 some 52 people have been killed by police in England. Thats less than half the number killed by US law enforcement in March 2015 alone (111). Even allowing for six fold population disparity thats quite a statistic !
    Last edited by flogger; 04-30-15 at 10:20 AM.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    While I agree, we should let the truth get in the way of making false assumptions. Anything is possible. If the young man was on drugs and was combative, he may have injured himself in the process. Or he may have injured himself further. It is also possible that he was in severe pain and was trying to get someone's attention, and that is what the other prisoner heard.
    So lets wait and see until all the facts are in.
    We probably won't see the facts because the only one, who knows what actually happened is dead. I don't think the cops ride chaperone in the paddy wagon with the prisoners.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again, you are speaking biased bs. That does not indicate wrong doing.
    We'll this sure does.

    At a news conference Friday at police headquarters, Commissioner Anthony W. Batts said that officers violated department policies while Gray was in their custody.

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...ry.html#page=1

    Stop denying it and your own credibility.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded. The police chief confessed that officers VIOLATED DEPARTMENT CODE OF CONDUCT!! You're the one deficient of credibility.
    How would you know the police chief is telling the truth or merely cow towing to political correctness? There have been police chiefs, who have thrown their officers under the bus if it meant keeping their jobs. If these officers violated the code of conduct, why hasn't more evidence come out to that effect? It still seems like their actions are being kept under wraps.

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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For not following protocol that endangers the life of the restrained suspect? Hmmm, maybe. But it seems to me like they didn't really want to. I mean, they got leg irons on him; so they were able to control him well enough to bind him. They just broke protocol and didn't properly restrain him, allowing the events to unfurl.
    Again; There may have been a reason for not doing so and not doing so does not automatically mean they are responsible for his injuries.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, GPS can calculate speed, acceleration, and path. It may not show ever little bump, but it can show the path taken and the speeds traveled.
    Again no.
    GPS is not going to tell you if it was swerving or hitting every pot-hole and bump. We have witnesses for that.

    Look, referring to the GPS is arguing nonsense. The route, time, and distance is already known.

    As you were already informed, the time-lime is already online.

    And we have a witness who states the driver did not speed, make sudden stops of "drive erratically".


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Being what? To risk the life of the suspect, it would have to be a damned good reason.
    A detainee who can not sit may just be a valid reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hmm, yes. All the way to he was kicking and screaming.
    The witness did not say kicking and screaming all the way.
    He said it sounded like he was “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself".


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And there is no assumption,
    Yes you did make an assumption.
    "nothing can exonerate the actions of the police." is an assumption.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    nothing that is presented as of yet exonerates the police. That's a fact.

    And nothing say they were the cause either.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    ... this isn't a jailhouse informant ("snitch") situation at all. Jailhouse informants provide what is classified as a secondary confession (i.e., the suspect told me he did it or had information only the perpetrator of the crime would know). This is not that; this is a simple witness statement. A firsthand account of a situation is different than a secondhand retelling of a story.

    The speal about having the police giving enticements to the witness to alter his story is unsupported speculation. Let's not start diving headfirst into unsupported hypothetical scenarios - it might just cause a riot.
    "Jailhouse snitch" is a colloquialism for the police/prosecution having somebody say something they want to help bolster their side. Whether it happens in the back of a squad car/van or in an actual jail is neither here nor there. Whether first-hand or second-hand is also pretty much irrelevant, though in this case Gray allegedly told this total random stranger his strategy, which would be no different than supposedly confessing to a stranger while in jail. Uh huh.

    (Amazing that this has to be explained.)
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    re: Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document [W:384]

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Then what would indicate wrong doing for you I wonder, or is it just 'biased BS' to even suggest it ?

    More ....

    Police in the US Kill Citizens at Over 70 Times the Rate of Other First-World Nations | The Free Thought Project

    Your police forces use grossly excessive force on far too many occasions and do it with virtual impunity because people like you seem to want to cheer them on from the sidelines
    Your claims are again biased bs.
    Use of force does not indicate wrongdoing on the part of Police.
    “The law is reason, free from passion.”
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