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Baltimore mom who smacked son at riot: I don't play

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This deserves its own thread. Bravo Mom!


(CNN)You know the Baltimore mom who went to the riot, found her son and lit into him with her right hand? Well, Toya Graham said Tuesday she did it because she didn't want her son to become another Freddie Gray.

She also told CBS News that she's a single mother of six who doesn't play when it comes to her children.
In video captured Monday by CNN affiliate WMAR, Graham is seen pulling her masked son away from a protest crowd, smacking him in the head repeatedly, and screaming at him.
Graham told CBS News that her son said he wanted to run when he saw her coming.
"I'm a no-tolerant mother. Everybody who knows me, knows I don't play that," Graham told the network. "He knew. He knew he was in trouble."
Video shows Baltimore mom smack masked son over riots - CNN.com
 


While I absolutely applaud the actions of this hard working Mom, I can't help but be taken by this:

"She also told CBS News that she's a single mother of six who doesn't play when it comes to her children."

Why are there so many single mothers in these communities? What can be done to keep fathers committed to the families they have helped to create? This is one of the big issues that can't be ignored.
 
Why are there so many single mothers in these communities? What can be done to keep fathers committed to the families they have helped to create? This is one of the big issues that can't be ignored.

Sure it can, you just call anyone who brings it up racist. That has worked for over half a century
 
Congrats to her! Nice to see someone willing to slap some sense into their children when they choose to break the law.

While I absolutely applaud the actions of this hard working Mom, I can't help but be taken by this:

"She also told CBS News that she's a single mother of six who doesn't play when it comes to her children."

Why are there so many single mothers in these communities? What can be done to keep fathers committed to the families they have helped to create? This is one of the big issues that can't be ignored.

Basically a complete overhaul of black culture itself from the ground up at this point. It's not just an issue of men being uncommitted. Women don't even really expect them to be anymore.

There's no real incentive to prevent pregnancies out of wedlock either, as many low income minority women basically regard children (and the Welfare payments that follow) as being their meal ticket.
 
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You want dad to stick around?



Try this....











Get married first.





Then have kids.
 
Congrats to her! Nice to see someone willing to slap some sense into their children when they choose to break the law.



Basically a complete overhaul of black culture itself from the ground up at this point. It's not just an issue of men being uncommitted. Women don't even really expect them to be anymore.

There's no real incentive to prevent pregnancies out of wedlock either, as many low income minority women basically regard children (and the Welfare payments that follow) as being their meal ticket.

Hard to argue with a single point you raised Gathomas.
 
You want dad to stick around?
Try this....
Get married first.
Then have kids.

Why do assume that the death of (or separation/divorce from) the children's father did not follow the birth of the children? While my girlfriend was (her children are all grown and on their own now) a single mom, her three children (three daughters from the same father) were not born out of wedlock. It is not exactly easy (or even desirable) to re-marry when you have children from a prior marriage.
 
You want dad to stick around?



Try this....











Get married first.





Then have kids.

That of course would require many young women to have abortions. Of course we can't have that.
 
Congrats to her! Nice to see someone willing to slap some sense into their children when they choose to break the law.



Basically a complete overhaul of black culture itself from the ground up at this point. It's not just an issue of men being uncommitted. Women don't even really expect them to be anymore.

There's no real incentive to prevent pregnancies out of wedlock either, as many low income minority women basically regard children (and the Welfare payments that follow) as being their meal ticket.

Funny thing is that slapping the kid would be a crime, where I live.
 
There's no real incentive to prevent pregnancies out of wedlock either, as many low income minority women basically regard children (and the Welfare payments that follow) as being their meal ticket.

Nonsense. These are young kids. I seriously doubt they think that far ahead.
 
I'm kinda torn on this matter.

In a way it is nice to see a mother trying to get her son under control in such a condition. But, I am curious how much went wrong to get that kid to the point where he acted as he did. The family unit being one factor to consider, but there are so many other factors to consider as well from education level, to aptitude, to economics, to social environment, to expectation, etc.

Somewhere along the lines in the effort for civil rights and protesting injustice, arguably today's leadership forgot to include the basic messages of peace and purposeful intentions and doing a much better job at handling those that want to hijack the process for their own short lived gain. At this point I would argue those with honorable intentions are in the extreme minority when it comes to a group of people who simply want to harm whoever they can at the first opportunity.

And we have so many examples of what should be peaceful protest overshadowed by the general will of mob mentality. This example, the Michael Brown riots, 2009 Oakland riots, 2001 Cincinnati riots, even going back to the Rodney King riots we have too many illustrations where the will of the majority of black people is to cause harm as an answer to injustice (or simply use one as an excuse.)

This is why I harp on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton so much. It seems them and other present leadership is squandering the real intentions of the original civil rights movement. Sorry to sort of hijack the thread but when I see that mom hitting her son I cannot help but wonder why we go so far off course, and I see little other option but to blame those really leading that community even if self appointed for all the wrong reasons.

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That of course would require many young women to have abortions. Of course we can't have that.

Black women already have more abortions than any other demographic in the country.

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They also have the highest single motherhood rate of any demographic in the country even in spite of that fact.

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Try again. :roll:

Nonsense. These are young kids. I seriously doubt they think that far ahead.

A) That's really not a mark in their favor. It would simply go to show why proper parenting (which the black community lacks, at the moment) is so important.

B) It's almost a cultural expectation at this point. There's no real "thinking" or "planning" involved. It's simply the "circle of life" for many lower income minority groups in the modern United States.

Have sex, have a baby, get paid for it. Have sex, realize you don't want a baby (or already have more than you want), have an abortion.

After all, most of them have basically been brought up believing that they'll never do any better than that anyway.
 
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What can be done to keep fathers committed to the families they have helped to create? This is one of the big issues that can't be ignored.
fwiw, a father can be in a kid's life w/o being married to the mom.
 
Why do assume that the death of (or separation/divorce from) the children's father did not follow the birth of the children? While my girlfriend was (her children are all grown and on their own now) a single mom, her three children (three daughters from the same father) were not born out of wedlock. It is not exactly easy (or even desirable) to re-marry when you have children from a prior marriage.

I don't assume. It's FACT that the majority of single mom's in these areas are NOT widows.
 
That of course would require many young women to have abortions. Of course we can't have that.

Yeah, republicrats find them selves in untenable positions, due to their inconsistent (illogical?) politics. Abstinance only education, coupled with anti birth control or abortion, combined with a desire to remove social safety nets...paints a nasty picture, really.
 
Nonsense. These are young kids. I seriously doubt they think that far ahead.

I had sex for the first time when I was 19, and yes, I was thinking that far ahead. I did not want a baby. I viewed having a child as tantamount to epic failure, the crumbling of all of my dreams, the ultimate game over.


And amazingly, I managed NOT to father any children with any of my partners till AFTER I got married, years later, when I was 29.
 
Yeah, republicrats find them selves in untenable positions, due to their inconsistent (illogical?) politics. Abstinance only education, coupled with anti birth control or abortion, combined with a desire to remove social safety nets...paints a nasty picture, really.

You actually have the Chutz to question Republican positions after seeing what is going on in Baltimore?
Baltimore has been a Democrat monopoly for decades . How have all those things you mentioned above worked out?
 
You actually have the Chutz to question Republican positions after seeing what is going on in Baltimore?
Baltimore has been a Democrat monopoly for decades . How have all those things you mentioned above worked out?

Not well. The good news is, I am not a democrat.



You see, here in america, we have the freedom of choice, though most don't recognize it as such, sorta like yourself. You only see two paths, while I see many other roads, many less traveled.


So, yeah. I question republicrat positions because they are completely illogical, in some cases. That doesn't mean my only other option then is to side with demublicans. There's other parties, other political beliefs, yo.
 
I had sex for the first time when I was 19, and yes, I was thinking that far ahead. I did not want a baby. I viewed having a child as tantamount to epic failure, the crumbling of all of my dreams, the ultimate game over.


And amazingly, I managed NOT to father any children with any of my partners till AFTER I got married, years later, when I was 29.

What many fail to note, including Top Cat, is that young men in black communities, particularly in poor black communities, look up to professional athletes as their role models for success and getting out of poverty. When looking at a list of the top 10 professional athletes with the most illegitimate children with multiple women, guess how many aren't black?

The Top Ten Athletes With the Most Illegitimate Children | SPIKE
 
What many fail to note, including Top Cat, is that young men in black communities, particularly in poor black communities, look up to professional athletes as their role models for success and getting out of poverty. When looking at a list of the top 10 professional athletes with the most illegitimate children with multiple women, guess how many aren't black?

The Top Ten Athletes With the Most Illegitimate Children | SPIKE
And this brings us back to parenting, and the points that Gothamas rasied. Fact is, he's right.

The entire culture that has the "black community" ensnared is the problem. It's all gotta be torn down, get a light shown onto it for exactly what it is, and abandoned.

I remember reading a biography about Tupac, a musician who's music is still relevant today, lyrically and melodically. He was way ahead of his time. And I remember a quote from Lawrence Fishburne. He didn't like Tupac. When asked why, it went something like this..."Because he wasted his life. Put him in any given room, and he was likely THE smartest person in that room. Period. And yet he let it go to waste in order to fulfill some image." Or something like that.


Tupac was a perfectly healthy, honest to god genius. And he's dead now. Yet Hawkings, also a genius, but anything BUT healthy, lives on.


Why?




Culture.
 
Black women already have more abortions than any other demographic in the country.

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They also have the highest single motherhood rate of any demographic in the country even in spite of that fact.

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Try again. :roll:



A) That's really not a mark in their favor. It would simply go to show why proper parenting (which the black community lacks, at the moment) is so important.

B) It's almost a cultural expectation at this point. There's no real "thinking" or "planning" involved. It's simply the "circle of life" for many lower income minority groups in the modern United States.

Have sex, have a baby, get paid for it. Have sex, realize you don't want a baby (or already have more than you want), have an abortion.

After all, most of them have basically been brought up believing that they'll never do any better than that anyway.

It's important not to conflate "unwed" with "single."
 
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