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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not going to defend Hillary on this - it's at least tone deaf and arguably corrupt. Bill left office and started collecting (from what I've heard) around $100 million or more in 'speaking' fees plus the millions for his foundation. I'm sure there is some genuine charitable intent in some of those donations, but only idiots believe that many/most/nearly all those donors don't also know that Hillary was SOS, and a candidate for POTUS and so no harm in making an investment in a 'relationship' with the Clinton family.

    But I will say the double standard on this is pretty staggering. So, a bunch of rich people with interests in front of government gave $10s of millions to a foundation. What distinguishes that from a big donor or donors contributing $100 million or a group of them $500 million to a 501(c)(4), in secret, that will spend all that money trying to elect Scott Walker or Jeb Bush? No one skips a beat when nearly the entire GOP field appears at a fundraiser hosted by the Koch brothers. Surely no one thinks those big donors are just interested in good government. They're buying influence. It's no different in any meaningful way than the what the donors to the Clinton Foundation are doing, in the most skeptical interpretation. It's just a different side of the same coin.

    Both the GOP and Democratic nominee will their own gigantic c4s out there as a vehicle for anonymous wealthy donors to buy influence, and those donations are explicitly targeted to get the candidate in office. If you're OK with all that, the disclosures about the Clinton Foundation shouldn't be any concern at all. Same song, different verse. If money = speech, and speech is good, then these donors are just going about Constitutionally protected and virtuous speech.

    My own view is it's all corrupt, from top to bottom. If we let $billionaires donate unlimited sums in secret, we'll get a plutocracy, more than we already have one. But I'm AS worried about the c4s and superpacs and all the rest of the ways our government is quickly being even more captured by a handful of plutocrats. I'm not sure what the answer is, but the best I know of is public financing. The bare minimum is near instantaneous disclosure of any person or entity that contributes more than a de minimus amount (say, $1,000) to any org that has any relationship with a candidate for office.
    Good post. I would counter by saying there are two problems with the Clinton thing that separate it from other fund raising problems you outlined. 1) That much of the money in question here is from foreign sources and there is something far worse to the thought that foreign money would influence American policy 2) That it is being done under the guise of a charity and that many donors and donations were not reported.

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Good post. I would counter by saying there are two problems with the Clinton thing that separate it from other fund raising problems you outlined. 1) That much of the money in question here is from foreign sources and there is something far worse to the thought that foreign money would influence American policy 2) That it is being done under the guise of a charity and that many donors and donations were not reported.
    I agree with those points.

    More than anything what kills me about Hillary and Bill is it's been almost a guarantee that she'd run for POTUS in 2016. And she STILL set up a personal email server in her home and turned over only some of the emails, deleted the rest. And she STILL allowed Bill to solicit and accept funds from people with interest at the State Department. I suspect the lawyers signed off on all of it, but it shows a fairly deep contempt for the public and a complete disregard for the spirit of the rules. I'll probably vote in the Democratic primary and it will be for ABH - anyone but Hillary.

    And the thought of having to choose between Hillary and Jeb makes me want to puke and move to... Costa Rica or something.

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