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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    (and the GOP will give us the same)
    Unfortunately. Corporate sell outs are the favorite type of sell outs in the Republocrats.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Unfortunately. Corporate sell outs are the favorite type of sell outs in the Republocrats.
    You have to love what Obama has done for the rich. Just look at the market vs the middle class making less than when he took office. And now it is reported the national growth rate under obama has averaged less than 2% and in the last quarter is was .02% And Hillery is for the middle class are you kidding me. She and Bill have been sucking up to the supper rich for decades and are now one.
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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Hmm. No liberal excuses yet. MSNBC must be too busy covering Baltimore to come up with a spin for the Hillary faithful. Might have to wait until Maddow comes on at 9:00

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    You have to love what Obama has done for the rich. Just look at the market vs the middle class making less than when he took office. And now it is reported the national growth rate under obama has averaged less than 2% and in the last quarter is was .02% And Hillery is for the middle class are you kidding me. She and Bill have been sucking up to the supper rich for decades and are now one.
    The middle class is what stands between the rich elite and their aristocracy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The middle class is what stands between the rich elite and their aristocracy.
    And that would be who? Democrats.
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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    A Hillary presidency would only be a laundering front for Bill's background worldwide donations tour.

    Anybody want to vote for that?

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    And that would be who? Democrats.
    ???

    The Republocrats in general have worked towards the destruction of the middle class, it's hard to establish aristocracy with it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Hmm. No liberal excuses yet. MSNBC must be too busy covering Baltimore to come up with a spin for the Hillary faithful. Might have to wait until Maddow comes on at 9:00
    I'm not going to defend Hillary on this - it's at least tone deaf and arguably corrupt. Bill left office and started collecting (from what I've heard) around $100 million or more in 'speaking' fees plus the millions for his foundation. I'm sure there is some genuine charitable intent in some of those donations, but only idiots believe that many/most/nearly all those donors don't also know that Hillary was SOS, and a candidate for POTUS and so no harm in making an investment in a 'relationship' with the Clinton family.

    But I will say the double standard on this is pretty staggering. So, a bunch of rich people with interests in front of government gave $10s of millions to a foundation. What distinguishes that from a big donor or donors contributing $100 million or a group of them $500 million to a 501(c)(4), in secret, that will spend all that money trying to elect Scott Walker or Jeb Bush? No one skips a beat when nearly the entire GOP field appears at a fundraiser hosted by the Koch brothers. Surely no one thinks those big donors are just interested in good government. They're buying influence. It's no different in any meaningful way than the what the donors to the Clinton Foundation are doing, in the most skeptical interpretation. It's just a different side of the same coin.

    Both the GOP and Democratic nominee will their own gigantic c4s out there as a vehicle for anonymous wealthy donors to buy influence, and those donations are explicitly targeted to get the candidate in office. If you're OK with all that, the disclosures about the Clinton Foundation shouldn't be any concern at all. Same song, different verse. If money = speech, and speech is good, then these donors are just going about Constitutionally protected and virtuous speech.

    My own view is it's all corrupt, from top to bottom. If we let $billionaires donate unlimited sums in secret, we'll get a plutocracy, more than we already have one. But I'm AS worried about the c4s and superpacs and all the rest of the ways our government is quickly being even more captured by a handful of plutocrats. I'm not sure what the answer is, but the best I know of is public financing. The bare minimum is near instantaneous disclosure of any person or entity that contributes more than a de minimus amount (say, $1,000) to any org that has any relationship with a candidate for office.

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    A Hillary presidency would only be a laundering front for Bill's background worldwide donations tour.

    Anybody want to vote for that?
    See my post above, but why would you care about that if you aren't fully on board with comprehensive limits on campaign spending and the dismantling of 'non-profits' that bundle anonymous donations (or known donations) like AFP or Club for Growth to the extent they do any advocacy for a single candidate. AFP spent $144 million at least in 2012. Every dime of that was explicitly intended to influence elections. Surely you oppose that, right?

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    Re: Clinton Foundation Failed to Disclose 1,100 Foreign Donations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ???

    The Republocrats in general have worked towards the destruction of the middle class, it's hard to establish aristocracy with it.
    That I disagrees and Obama is a perfect example of it.
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