• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Baltimore riots: Peace replaces violence on city's streets

Hatuey

Rule of Two
DP Veteran
Joined
Oct 17, 2006
Messages
59,298
Reaction score
26,919
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
Baltimore riots: Peace replaces violence on the streets - CNN.com

• Some 2,000 National Guardsmen and more than 1,000 police officers from Maryland and neighboring states will be in the streets of Baltimore on Tuesday night, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said. "This combined force will not tolerate violence or looting, which has led to the destruction of property and put innocent Marylanders at risk." "It's clear that what we have to do is change the culture within the Baltimore Police Department," Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said Tuesday. The process has been underway for more than two years, but there is more to do, he said.
• Monday night's riots in Baltimore were a rough time, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said, but the response Tuesday shows that residents want to reclaim, repair and heal the city.

As I have been saying all along, these two issues exist parallel to each other. The violence and rioting are simply unjustified. However, even if that is the case, the majority of the protesters are indeed justified in their outrage at the current situation. Hopefully, some discussion can be had on the issue. I doubt it though. We'll simply move on to discussing whether the police or the suspect are to blame for the guy with the broken neck and nothing will ever change, until the next round.
 
Its clear that there is a police brutality problem in this country, and its clear that the African American populations in this country often times end up as the victims. Its also clear that there is a police militarization problem in this country. Its also clear that many people dont want to talk about it. Am I in favor of riots? No. Am I in favor of peaceful marches, and disobedience? Absolutely. Can I understand why the riots are happening and understand why some feel this is their only outlet? I cannot 100% understand that, but I can somewhat understand that.

It however incredibly uplifting to see some of the things coming out of Baltimore right now: many in their community cleaning up their streets, gangs uniting and trying to stop the rioting and the violent protesters, individuals standing between hostile protesters and individuals trying to calm both sides down, the Nation of Islam blocking looters and also trying to calm violent protesters and rioters.
 
Last edited:
Its clear that there is a police brutality problem in this country, and its clear that the African American populations in this country often times end up as the victims. Its also clear that there is a police militarization problem in this country. Its also clear that many people dont want to talk about it. Am I in favor of riots? No. Am I in favor of peaceful marches, and disobedience? Absolutely. Can I understand why the riots are happening and understand why some feel this is their only outlet? I cannot 100% understand that, but I can somewhat understand that.

It however incredibly uplifting to see some of the things coming out of Baltimore right now: many in their community cleaning up their streets, gangs uniting and trying to stop the rioting, the violent protesters, individuals standing between hostile protesters and individuals trying to calm both sides down, the Nation of Islam blocking looters and also trying to calm violent protesters and rioters.


What's clear is race relations in general worsen when Progressives gain power. What's clear is these inner city areas are the consequence of the same failed experiment thats been tried and tried again for decades.

From New York City in the 70s, late 80s and early 90s to Chicago, Detroit, Ferguson and now Baltimore what's " clear " is there are profound consequences to putting Progressives in positions of power.

Its no surprise things hae gotten worse in the last 6 years under our first " Black President ".

Obama's a liberal first. His Policies and rhetoric have disproportionately impacted Black American as joblessness poverty and crime are ignored in place of empty claims of " economic recovery ".

Obama's is and never was a pioneer. His ideas and beliefs are rehashed from the 60s. For example when David Denkins ran as NYCs first black mayor he used the same empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans all based on creating racial harmony that obama used and by the end of his first and only term murder rates spiked at a all time high.

When the 1991 riots broke out Denkins policy was to give the rioters room to blow off steam. Sound familiar ?

Its the same failed experiment over and over. Progressive Politicians elected to fix some perceived and often made up issue and simply making things worse by implementing policies that perpetuate dependance, poverty and crime.

You call attention to a supposed rise in Police brutality while you ignore the alarming rate of black on black crime in Democrat run hell holes like Chicago and Detroit.

You claim to be advocates for the minority community but are all too willing to ignore the weekly violence thats taken so many young Black lives. Even children caught in the crossfire dont get protesters, nor do they get a statement from the Obama administration.

I think your'e an advocate for a ideology thats caused so much pain and misery, not any race or group or culture of people.
 
Obama's a liberal first. His Policies and rhetoric have disproportionately impacted Black American as joblessness poverty and crime are ignored in place of empty claims of " economic recovery ".

Obama's is and never was a pioneer. His ideas and beliefs are rehashed from the 60s.


Its the same failed experiment over and over
th
 
What's clear is race relations in general worsen when Progressives gain power. What's clear is these inner city areas are the consequence of the same failed experiment thats been tried and tried again for decades.

From New York City in the 70s, late 80s and early 90s to Chicago, Detroit, Ferguson and now Baltimore what's " clear " is there are profound consequences to putting Progressives in positions of power.

Its no surprise things hae gotten worse in the last 6 years under our first " Black President ".

Obama's a liberal first. His Policies and rhetoric have disproportionately impacted Black American as joblessness poverty and crime are ignored in place of empty claims of " economic recovery ".

Obama's is and never was a pioneer. His ideas and beliefs are rehashed from the 60s. For example when David Denkins ran as NYCs first black mayor he used the same empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans all based on creating racial harmony that obama used and by the end of his first and only term murder rates spiked at a all time high.

When the 1991 riots broke out Denkins policy was to give the rioters room to blow off steam. Sound familiar ?

Its the same failed experiment over and over. Progressive Politicians elected to fix some perceived and often made up issue and simply making things worse by implementing policies that perpetuate dependance, poverty and crime.

You call attention to a supposed rise in Police brutality while you ignore the alarming rate of black on black crime in Democrat run hell holes like Chicago and Detroit.

You claim to be advocates for the minority community but are all too willing to ignore the weekly violence thats taken so many young Black lives. Even children caught in the crossfire dont get protesters, nor do they get a statement from the Obama administration.

I think your'e an advocate for a ideology thats caused so much pain and misery, not any race or group or culture of people.

You have to be ****ing kidding me...
 

Yep. The Historical similarities to past Democrat administrations on a State, Local or even Federal level are too obvious to ignore.

1993...

Report Charges Dinkins Slow to Act in Brooklyn Riot : Unrest: Probe of '91 clashes between Hasidic Jews and blacks faults New York's mayor. The rebuke could deal a serious blow to his reelection hopes. - latimes

" NEW YORK — A comprehensive state report concluded Tuesday that Mayor David N. Dinkins "failed to act in a timely and decisive manner" to protect lives and property during a four-day outbreak of racial violence in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn in August, 1991.

In 1991, when New York Mayor David Dinkins held the police back in order to let protesters “blow off a little steam.” But, the destructive result was something anyone who runs a city should have studied.

1995...

Blog: Baltimore mayor: We 'gave those who wished to destroy space to do that'

“It’s a very delicate balancing act, because while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well.”


Obama's and Eric Holders response to the riots and destruction in Ferguson was to what ? Make a list of of rules on how not to be a racist Police officer ?


Unbelievable. So the poverty, crime, dependence, mediocrity and the failure of the local Schools, the REAL AND SUBSTANTIAL issues that people in that community face everyday get passed over so a narrative that was based on a lie can be reinforced by a Justice Department and administration who's committed to the minority community. The ideology that defines this administration and their supporters is no more commuted to the black community than they were 40 years ago.

What about black on black crime? | Chicago

It will be a cold day in hell when the Obama administration or any of the activist and talking heads on the left who seem to save their outrage for Blacks who die at the hands of Police officers whether justifiable or not address the real issues that continue to plague inner city areas.

Focusing on or misrepresenting the issue of bad cops or " Police Brutality " so you can sign up a few voters does nothing for a population that continues to struggle disproportionately over the last 6 years. Celebrations over jobless economic recoveries also does nothing for the inner city area residents who now have to pick up the pieces of a burned out neighborhood.

[url=http://www.gallup.com/poll/180329/blacks-suffer-disproportionately-chronic-conditions.aspx]U.S. Blacks Suffer Disproportionately From Chronic Conditions[/URL]

It's exceedingly obvious that Democrat policies have failed the inner city areas.
 
C'mon guys, it's Fenton. You know what to expect.
 
Baltimore is a third world city run by poverty pimps that make Al-Sharpton seem like a virtuous man. Watch The Wire. It's a great show that demonstrates this reality. Some places and demographics simply are hopeless.
 
Last edited:
Baltimore riots: Peace replaces violence on the streets - CNN.com



As I have been saying all along, these two issues exist parallel to each other. The violence and rioting are simply unjustified. However, even if that is the case, the majority of the protesters are indeed justified in their outrage at the current situation. Hopefully, some discussion can be had on the issue. I doubt it though. We'll simply move on to discussing whether the police or the suspect are to blame for the guy with the broken neck and nothing will ever change, until the next round.

such discussions can't be had until after the children get bored with having had their fun( or they are forced to cease) and adults take over.... but yes, such discussions need to take place.

I have zero problem with folks being outraged at injustices... I have a problem when their initial reaction is violence and destruction, though.
for that reason, I can't support the rioters/protesters .... well, that and I am of the belief that protesters/rioters are no longer reasonable actors, but simply a mob...and unthinking, unreasonable, irrational, mob.

I also share your cynicism.... we'll be having the same chat again during the next dust-up.
 
Baltimore is a third world city run by poverty pimps that make Al-Sharpton seem like a virtuous man. Watch The Wire. It's a great show that demonstrates this reality. Some places and demographics simply are hopeless.

"Black people are inferior watch this fictional show for proof."
 
This was taken in Baltimore today.

l28sdlh
 
such discussions can't be had until after the children get bored with having had their fun( or they are forced to cease) and adults take over.... but yes, such discussions need to take place.

I have zero problem with folks being outraged at injustices... I have a problem when their initial reaction is violence and destruction, though.
for that reason, I can't support the rioters/protesters .... well, that and I am of the belief that protesters/rioters are no longer reasonable actors, but simply a mob...and unthinking, unreasonable, irrational, mob.

I also share your cynicism.... we'll be having the same chat again during the next dust-up.

While I agree with your post, I also find that it doesn't excuse the discussions that aren't had after these events subside. What stops politicians and police departments from dealing with these issues 2 years after there are no longer riots? What stopped them from having it 30 years after the CRA'64? Why is it that these issues only come to light after a police brutality incident? I think the reason for that is that there is a concerted effort to keep us away from meaningful discussion on the issue.

We've seen it on DP. The problem some DP members have with Obama's words is that he discussed the issue to a degree that was far more than a platitude. They have a problem with him not being more "passionate" about telling people that rioting and looting are inexcusable. They have an issue with Obama saying things which make them feel icky about discussing the racial issues in America. That is far more problematic than any race issue. The fact that there is a contingent of people who find discussing race issues 'politically incorrect' if the goal isn't to denigrate minorities in some way. That's absolutely disgusting.
 
Can sit and deny what's common knowledge to anyone and everybody that Baltimore is a drug run drug fiend den all you want but the only people you're fooling are yourselves. The DNC politicians never visit once the areas that elected them after they win office. The Wire, which is highly critical of Baltimore, was created by a Baltimore cop.
 
Can sit and deny what's common knowledge to anyone and everybody that Baltimore is a drug run drug fiend den all you want but the only people you're fooling are yourselves. The DNC politicians never visit once the areas that elected them after they win office. The Wire, which is highly critical of Baltimore, was created by a Baltimore cop.
Wow, as much as a like the Wire, and all but really really dont make this a ****ing Partisan issue.... Dont make wild generalization about all politicians who run under Party names, and really dont make these wild generalizations because:
1.)Geographical politics and the history
2.)Its not just the big bad Democrats




I cant believe this is turning into a goddamn ****ing partisan issue...
 
Its clear that there is a police brutality problem in this country, and its clear that the African American populations in this country often times end up as the victims. Its also clear that there is a police militarization problem in this country. Its also clear that many people dont want to talk about it. Am I in favor of riots? No. Am I in favor of peaceful marches, and disobedience? Absolutely. Can I understand why the riots are happening and understand why some feel this is their only outlet? I cannot 100% understand that, but I can somewhat understand that.

It however incredibly uplifting to see some of the things coming out of Baltimore right now: many in their community cleaning up their streets, gangs uniting and trying to stop the rioting and the violent protesters, individuals standing between hostile protesters and individuals trying to calm both sides down, the Nation of Islam blocking looters and also trying to calm violent protesters and rioters.

When excessive force becomes an institutionalized problem in a police force, as it is in the Baltimore PD, then the legitimacy of their authority is lost. If people want to go out there and occupy highways, city-streets, government buildings, or engage in any other peaceful form of protest and keep doing those things until they have guarantees that meaningful and prompt change is in process then I would support them. If the police were out there brutalizing peaceful demonstrators, as they did during the OWS movement, then I would wholeheartedly support the right and obligation of protesters to respond with proportionate means to defend themselves. I understand the frustrations people have with the lack of progress towards reducing the frequency of these issues, reforming the police force, and casualties along the way, but it does not justify or even explain what happened in Baltimore.

Burning down a community center for seniors, HIV testing, and job placement that your impoverished neighbors spent years raising funds to build for your community, looting, ransacking pharmacy prescriptions and stealing people’s medications and attacking innocent people in the process, slicing fire-hoses when the fire department tries to put out the fires they set in their community’s homes and businesses, etc. They are doing more and longer lasting damage to their community than the police ever have and none of that can possibly be motivated by a desire for change in police interaction. It isn't an outlet for anything except the exploitation of a tragic issue for personal gain and, in my view, the death of Freddie Gray is a just a thinly veiled pretext for a crime spree for those victimizing their own community.

One of the things I noticed, and has so far gone unsaid in the media, was the deafening silence from Jesse Jackson. He was there, but said nothing. Did nothing. That was surprising to me until I thought about it for awhile. I think he belongs to the parents and grandparents of those punks tearing their community apart and has very little if any influence over millennials and teenagers. His ability to influence the black community has entered its twilight years and maybe he knows it and I think there is something lost there in terms of lessons learned. At the core of sympathizing with or participating in violence against the police is really ignorance of what ultimately made the civil rights movement a success in effecting change. It wasn't pillaging, arson, or violence. It was gaining sympathy for the cause by being brutalized when going about your business, doing normal things, or peacefully protesting while the world watched. It was sacrificing your own safety so that other people could see it for themselves and experience it vicariously. The younger generation needs a replacement for the old guard. They need smart, persuasive, inspiring, and motivational community leaders who can control the mob and channel their frustrations into a meaningful movement that yields positive results. They need that not only to influence external change but also change internal to their communities. That is notably lacking right now.
 
Last edited:
...It's clear that what we have to do is change the culture within the Baltimore Police Department," Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said Tuesday....


I would say so

...[NRA Executive VP LaPierre]“I also think, though, that what people all over the country fear today is being abandoned by their government. If a tornado hits, if a hurricane hits, if a riot occurs that they’re going be out there alone. And the only way they’re going protect themselves in the cold and the dark, when they’re vulnerable is with a firearm. And I think that indicates how relevant and essential the Second Amendment is in today’s society to fundamental human survival.”

Then Durbin turned to the chief and stated “Well, Chief Johnson, you’ve heard it.” He continued, “The belief of the NRA is the Second Amendment has to give American citizens the firepower to fight back against you, against our government.”

When LaPierre went to comment on the maligned statement by Senator Durbin he was cut off.

The Baltimore County police chief responded, “I find it to be scary, creepy. And it’s simply just not based on logic. Certainly, law enforcement across this nation is well-prepared to deal with any natural or man-made disaster that will occur. And, frankly, I just — I can’t relate to that kind of thinking.”...
 
Wow, as much as a like the Wire, and all but really really dont make this a ****ing Partisan issue.... Dont make wild generalization about all politicians who run under Party names, and really dont make these wild generalizations because:
1.)Geographical politics and the history
2.)Its not just the big bad Democrats




I cant believe this is turning into a goddamn ****ing partisan issue...

It shouldn't be partisan to recognize that when anything like this happens, every young punk anarchist within travel distance makes their way to the affected city to get among the thugs and help organize their destruction.
Notice I didn't say help them protest because neither punk nor thug give a damn about a cause.
You can easily pick the punk anarchists out of the crowd ... I bet you have.

As for partisanship ... hello Barack Obama.
Another thing that's predictable is his reaction and commentary.
It's always a perfunctory reference to the violence and a much longer commentary on what he's going to blame ... in this case he wants more money for the affected city and blames the Republicans for blocking his wonderful agenda that would have delivered it.
 
I'm hearing reports that Freddie Gray had spinal surgery a week before his arrest.

Anyone else see that ? I wonder if there's any validity to those reports ?
 
Back
Top Bottom