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Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

I undertand but it appears you dont understand your own posts.

Nope, I perfectly understand my posts.

. you are parroting CNNs "semantic dance".

There is no semantics dance, Travis. CNN reported on Obama's exact words and they were that there was no excuse for rioting. Continuing to deny it just makes you look like you're not reading the articles. As I've mentioned before, if you're just going to parrot the words of the Gateway Pundit, may I suggest you go to a different thread? Maybe the one where non-mainstream media articles go. :)
 
That's pretty much my view on the matter. I don't condone the rioting or the looting, but I can definitely see how the current conditions led to it. Police departments in US cities have been getting away with killing civilians for decades. Normally, it's impossible to really make a case against a single incident because they can have as much as 10-15 years between them. However, when a single police department has paid millions within a 4 year span, and has over a 100 such incidents within that period, there is an obvious pattern. This is specially true if the city doesn't even reach the 1 million mark. I think that was Obama's mistake. Linking this to Ferguson. The situations simply aren't the same though there is ample evidence that the FPD also engaged in some of the same tactics. I guess what I am saying is that the issues should be viewed as separate but within a larger national pattern of police brutality.

The pattern is liberal failure in every big city..

you may want to get the memo
 
Your liberal desperation is palpable and laughable...and honestly pathetic..

Travis, you are trying too hard to have an informed conversation without having the capability to do so. Please refrain from copying and pasting parts of my post to make you seem on par with me. It's embarrassing.
 
Nope, I perfectly understand my posts.



There is no semantics dance, Travis. CNN reported on Obama's exact words and they were that there was no excuse for rioting. Continuing to deny it just makes you look like you're not reading the articles. As I've mentioned before, if you're just going to parrot the words of the Gateway Pundit, may I suggest you go to a different thread? Maybe the one where non-mainstream media articles go. :)


exact words.. but not all the words..

your attempts are pathetic
 
The pattern is liberal failure in every big city..

you may want to get the memo

That's nice Travis. However, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. May I suggest you go to a different thread if you wish to discuss the politics of Baltimore? :)
 
Who can be upset with a statement condemning the rioting, and stating that it's counter productive and undermines the community? It should be condemned, it is counterproductive, and it does undermine the community. It's a true statement.

I dislike Obama as much as any other Status Quo Republocrat, but it's a true statement. Why has this already devolved into a partisan pissing contest?
 
Travis, you are trying too hard to have an informed conversation without having the capability to do so. Please refrain from copying and pasting parts of my post to make you seem on par with me. It's embarrassing.

again your posts are liberal lies...youre desperate ...

CNN is a farce.. a liberal propaganda outlet..

so lets break ti down.. Obama gave "the excuse" and CNN covered for Obama.. and you are an Obama sycophant so you try to run the jive
 
That's nice Travis. However, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. May I suggest you go to a different thread if you wish to discuss the politics of Baltimore? :)

nope.. you brought it up..
 
exact words.. but not all the words..

your attempts are pathetic

Travis, his exact words are in the video. Including the paragraph you parroted. Continuing to claim that CNN did not report on all the words just makes you look desperate to catch Obama on something.
 
That's pretty much my view on the matter. I don't condone the rioting or the looting, but I can definitely see how the current conditions led to it. Police departments in US cities have been getting away with killing civilians for decades. Normally, it's impossible to really make a case against a single incident because they can have as much as 10-15 years between them. However, when a single police department has paid millions within a 4 year span, and has over a 100 such incidents within that period, there is an obvious pattern. This is specially true if the city doesn't even reach the 1 million mark. I think that was Obama's mistake. Linking this to Ferguson. The situations simply aren't the same though there is ample evidence that the FPD also engaged in some of the same tactics. I guess what I am saying is that the issues should be viewed as separate but within a larger national pattern of police brutality.

so you arfe saying Obama is a moron as he links it all together..its all the same to Obama. and we see again Obama interjecting his "verdict" thats the pattern and Obama pattern of race hustling and anti police behavior
 
Who can be upset with a statement condemning the rioting, and stating that it's counter productive and undermines the community? It should be condemned, it is counterproductive, and it does undermine the community. It's a true statement.

I dislike Obama as much as any other Status Quo Republocrat, but it's a true statement. Why has this already devolved into a partisan pissing contest?

The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
 
Yes it is. You can deny it as much as you want, but it's still irrelevant to the issue, kind of like your parroting of talking points by the Gateway Pundit. This is a forum for people who think independently, Travis. Not people who simply copy and paste whatever they're being told to say. :)

You mean like you do?

How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

EXCERPTS:

Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
 
Oh? I discussed the politics of Baltimore? Where? Post number, please.

well we see they have a liberal Mayor and you talk of "the suing of the police dept hence a pattern, and your understanding of why they riot"..and thats politics..
the police and politcs go hand in hand
 
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.

its "pointed "... try to write ina way thats understandable
 
so you arfe saying Obama is a moron as he links it all together..its all the same to Obama. and we see again Obama interjecting his "verdict" thats the pattern and Obama pattern of race hustling and anti police behavior

You're trying too hard to have a discussion after parroting The Gateway Pundit's talking points. What I am saying is what I said and what you think I said are two different things. Mine is a well structured statement analyzing Obama's words from various perspectives. What you think I said are the rantings of a person who lets The Gateway Pundit tell them what to say. The difference is evident.
 
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.

the problems is you are CNN believer and an Obama apologist and run jive.. and you think youre slick..we all know CNN cropped that story to fit the liberal dumb Obama voters narrative and you bought it...LOL LOL...

when I show its nonsense you flail away like any Obama voter predictably would..
 
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.

Police brutality and abuse IS an issue. It's in fact the issue that sparked the riot. Not that the riot is justified, it's carried out by thugs and criminals waiting in the background for an excuse. The city provided the excuse with abuse of police power. Again, a true statement. If we want to fix the problems, we have to look at the problems and determine the factors which play into them. Then we address those factors. It's the only way things get better. Partisan bickering and finger pointing will only ensure that this remains a problem for some time to come.
 
You're trying too hard to have a discussion after parroting The Gateway Pundit's talking points. What I am saying is what I said and what you think I said are two different things. Mine is a well structured statement analyzing Obama's words from various perspectives. What you think I said are the rantings of a person who lets The Gateway Pundit tell them what to say. The difference is evident.

Youve been destroyed.. Ocean posted the whole transcript that I was showing you..

You lost
 
You mean like you do?

How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

EXCERPTS:

Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?

Thank You Ocean..I was about to post that.. thank you..
 
You mean like you do?

How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

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Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?

Your understanding of this issue doesn't seem to be on part with what you're citing. He's saying that:

1. Parents are worried, and so are community leaders - True.
2. People in poor communities, where drugs run rampart, and there is no opportunity, are more likely to be criminals - True.
3. Sending police is not going to solve the underlying issues behind these protests - True.

All of these aren't being politicized. They're already political and have been for the better part of the 20th century. But I'm not sure what you seem to have a problem with. Are you saying that nothing that Obama is saying?
 
Police brutality and abuse IS an issue. It's in fact the issue that sparked the riot. Not that the riot is justified, it's carried out by thugs and criminals waiting in the background for an excuse. The city provided the excuse with abuse of police power. Again, a true statement. If we want to fix the problems, we have to look at the problems and determine the factors which play into them. Then we address those factors. It's the only way things get better. Partisan bickering and finger pointing will only ensure that this remains a problem for some time to come.

That's pretty much how I see it. However, the problem is that if we examine these issue beyond the scope of what is acceptable to certain groups, we start hurting feelings.
 
I'm not sure what message you are trying to get across here. I can't see anything incorrect in point number five from Obama. He's absolutely correct in his assessment about impoverished communities, primarily poor African-Americans, having too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals in ways that have raised troubling questions.

If you think focusing on just the police (i.e. body cameras, etc) is the solution and not helping out these impoverished communities then you are wrong.


You mean like you do?

How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

EXCERPTS:

Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
 
That is great that he is saying all that.But its the other things he says that basically inflame people to riot and loot.

You're wrong. People aren't 'inflamed' to riot and loot because someone points out that police brutality is an issue and violence isn't acceptable. They already know violence is an issue and violence is unacceptable. Rioting and looting are opportunistic, they're not based on the politics at the center of the matter.
 
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