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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    He's right, there's also no excuse for atrocious policing towards protesters.

    Folks always gotta ruin something, that goes for both sides.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    The fact that you interpreted his message as "Go ahead and riot" speaks more to your bias and less to my understanding. No standing President would ever encourage/incite/or otherwise condone rioting.


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    I guess it is true you don't understand what the Presidents words are approving.

    In the final paragraph I posted from the transcript of his comments, the President knew he was giving an excuse for the criminal activity that has occurred over and over in these ginned up situations. That's why he prefaced his comment about the state of these impoverished communities.

    Liberals, and now Progressives, have been spouting this drivel for decades. I remember the Watts riots, and the King riots and all the others that have gone on across the nation. The same platitudes and excuses are offered. And they mean SQUAT. How many billions and by now trillions have been spent? And the same excuses are made. It's astounding to me these poor souls haven't figured out yet that they are being played for fools by politician like President Obama.

    How about the President add a few words about his illegal alien plan that's going to do wonderful things to these impoverished communities? No, the President said, riot on, I understand. Besides, its not unfeasible to consider he thinks these riots keeps them occupied while he manipulates another minority for political gain.

    These facts are about as vivid and plain as they could be.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. I don't care about your opinion of my analysis.
    That's nice. Nobody asked you to care though. What has been done is question that analysis. You've so far been completely unable to do anything but rant that you have a problem with Obama pointing out certain facts. So I asked you what exactly it was that you have a problem with. You can't seem to answer and have been avoiding the questions for nearly 2 pages now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The fact that you interpreted his message as "Go ahead and riot" speaks more to your bias and less to my understanding. No standing President would ever encourage/incite/or otherwise condone rioting.
    You don't get it. The crystal ball argument doesn't care about what is actually being said. It's only interested in prying into the mind of people and teasing out what they REALLY meant. That's why Ocean has so far refused to ask any questions about the statements themselves and he's just engaged in gotcha games.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Crystal ball arguments into the mind of an individual seldom work out. Obama said there was no excuse for the rioting or looting. How you interpret that to mean that he approved of the riot and looting is mind blogging.

    Do you have a problem with Obama pointing out that these communities regularly deal with police brutality?
    Do you have a problem with Obama saying that that drugs are a problem in the black community?
    Do you have a problem with Obama saying that simply sending police will not solve the issue?

    I don't think anyone here - not even you - is sure what your problems with his words are. Is it that he discussed the underlying issues behind a lot of these protests? Is that what bothers you?
    The problem is timing. If Obama wants to discuss those other things, do so at a more appropriate time. This is not the time to be discussing reasons why people are rioting. This is a time to discuss why people should NOT be rioting. Any discussion about why people should be rioting is going to be percieved as tacit approval or at least excusing what damage the rioters do. At some level, trying to explain the reasoning for the riots while they are occuring is a demonstration of acceptance and approval of the cause they choose to support - which people will percieve as directly caused by their rioting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    The problem is timing. If Obama wants to discuss those other things, do so at a more appropriate time. This is not the time to be discussing reasons why people are rioting.
    That's the thing, he didn't discuss why people are rioting. He discussed why people are protesting. He said there were no excuses for the rioting. I'm pretty sure that is a textbook example of a person not discussing reasons behind the riots themselves.

    This is a time to discuss why people should NOT be rioting.
    He did that. It's unacceptable.

    Any discussion about why people should be rioting is going to be percieved as tacit approval or at least excusing what damage the rioters do. At some level, trying to explain the reasoning for the riots while they are occuring is a demonstration of acceptance and approval of the cause they choose to support - which people will percieve as directly caused by their rioting.
    I don't know how you take 'NO EXCUSE FOR RIOTING' as something other than that. This speech had two parts of the issue being discussed. It had the riots, which Obama did not excuse and the protests, which he based on facts. Being angry because he discussed the entire issue just makes people look petty. If you think that the people rioting are waiting on Obama's secret code word to riot you're simply trying too hard to put a meaning that isn't there.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore - CNNPolitics.com



    Thought this was interesting. I guess it takes the wind out of the 'tacit approval' crowd.
    So ? He advocates for the very policies that lead to suffocating poverty, increases in violent crime and eventually powder kegs that turn into race riots. You people never learn. Back in the late 80s and early 90's when David Denkins was the Mayor of New York violent crime including Murder peaked at all time high.

    It took the election of Rudy Guiliani to finally bring down crime rates and clean up a City that had turned into a cesspool under Democrat rule.

    Not too mention race relations never improved under NY's first Black Mayor ( sound familiar ?) In fact they grew worse and eventually led to the 1991 Crown Heights Riots. Fun Fact ! David Denkins ALSO instituted a policy of giving the rioters time and space to blow off steam. How did that work out ? It had expected results and made things worse.

    There's a history of worsening race relations and a growing enmity towards Police officers especially in Cities and areas that have been under Democrat control for decades. For some reason it's a crisis when one man dies under Police custody but record black on black violence is a non-issue.

    Whether its Chicago or Ferguson or Baltimore or even NY under Deblasio, Democrat policies and crime and poverty go hand in hand.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you think that the people rioting are waiting on Obama's secret code word to riot you're simply trying too hard to put a meaning that isn't there.
    This seems to be the thing. Apparently Obama and Sharpton have some advanced form of Negro Mind Control, where when they say "don't riot" or "there is no excuse for rioting," that is the trigger word for the black hordes to take the rioting up to 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So ? He advocates for the very policies that lead to suffocating poverty, increases in violent crime and eventually powder kegs that turn into race riots. You people never learn. Back in the late 80s and early 90's when David Denkins was the Mayor of New York violent crime including Murder peaked at all time high.
    He advocates... for the policies... which lead to suffocating poverty? I didn't know Obama was in favor of offshoring jobs in the 80s and 90s. Was he vocal about supporting the Iran-Contra scandal which directly led to the crack epidemic? Can you find a link for that? From the 1980s if possible. Thanks.

    It took the election of Rudy Guiliani to finally bring down crime rates and clean up a City that had turned into a cesspool under Democrat rule.

    Not too mention race relations never improved under NY's first Black Mayor ( sound familiar ?) In fact they grew worse and eventually led to the 1991 Crown Heights Riots. Fun Fact ! David Denkins ALSO instituted a policy of giving the rioters time and space to blow off steam. How did that work out ? It had expected results and made things worse.

    There's a history of worsening race relations and a growing enmity towards Police officers especially in Cities and areas that have been under Democrat control for decades. For some reason it's a crisis when one man dies under Police custody but record black on black violence is a non-issue.

    Whether its Chicago or Ferguson or Baltimore or even NY under Deblasio, Democrat policies and crime and poverty go hand in hand.
    Your attempt at making a historical argument is nice, however they're entirely unrelated to the issue. I'm not sure how the Crown Heigh riots even relate to this. Was Obama deep in NYC politics before this? Or are you trying to stitch together an argument from bits an pieces of unrelated issues?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This seems to be the thing. Apparently Obama and Sharpton have some advanced form of Negro Mind Control, where when they say "don't riot" or "there is no excuse for rioting," that is the trigger word for the black hordes to take the rioting up to 11.
    Ah yes, the Negro Mind Control special word. I forgot about that word. I'm going to let you in a little secret, okay? It's not actually 'don't riot' that sets people off. It's 'chicken'. You ever notice that you can arrange some of the letters in Obama's speeches to say 'chicken'?

    "There's no excuse for the kind of violence that we saw yesterday. It is counterproductive," Obama said at a press conference from the White House. "When individuals get crowbars and start prying open doors to loot, they're not protesting. They're not making a statement. They're stealing. When they burn down a building, they're committing arson.
    It's in every Obama speech, man.
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