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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    so you arfe saying Obama is a moron as he links it all together..its all the same to Obama. and we see again Obama interjecting his "verdict" thats the pattern and Obama pattern of race hustling and anti police behavior
    You're trying too hard to have a discussion after parroting The Gateway Pundit's talking points. What I am saying is what I said and what you think I said are two different things. Mine is a well structured statement analyzing Obama's words from various perspectives. What you think I said are the rantings of a person who lets The Gateway Pundit tell them what to say. The difference is evident.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
    the problems is you are CNN believer and an Obama apologist and run jive.. and you think youre slick..we all know CNN cropped that story to fit the liberal dumb Obama voters narrative and you bought it...LOL LOL...

    when I show its nonsense you flail away like any Obama voter predictably would..

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
    Police brutality and abuse IS an issue. It's in fact the issue that sparked the riot. Not that the riot is justified, it's carried out by thugs and criminals waiting in the background for an excuse. The city provided the excuse with abuse of police power. Again, a true statement. If we want to fix the problems, we have to look at the problems and determine the factors which play into them. Then we address those factors. It's the only way things get better. Partisan bickering and finger pointing will only ensure that this remains a problem for some time to come.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're trying too hard to have a discussion after parroting The Gateway Pundit's talking points. What I am saying is what I said and what you think I said are two different things. Mine is a well structured statement analyzing Obama's words from various perspectives. What you think I said are the rantings of a person who lets The Gateway Pundit tell them what to say. The difference is evident.
    Youve been destroyed.. Ocean posted the whole transcript that I was showing you..

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You mean like you do?

    How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

    President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

    EXCERPTS:

    Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

    The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

    And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


    Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
    Thank You Ocean..I was about to post that.. thank you..

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You mean like you do?

    How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

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    Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
    Your understanding of this issue doesn't seem to be on part with what you're citing. He's saying that:

    1. Parents are worried, and so are community leaders - True.
    2. People in poor communities, where drugs run rampart, and there is no opportunity, are more likely to be criminals - True.
    3. Sending police is not going to solve the underlying issues behind these protests - True.

    All of these aren't being politicized. They're already political and have been for the better part of the 20th century. But I'm not sure what you seem to have a problem with. Are you saying that nothing that Obama is saying?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

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    Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore - CNNPolitics.com



    Thought this was interesting. I guess it takes the wind out of the 'tacit approval' crowd.
    That is great that he is saying all that.But its the other things he says that basically inflame people to riot and loot.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Police brutality and abuse IS an issue. It's in fact the issue that sparked the riot. Not that the riot is justified, it's carried out by thugs and criminals waiting in the background for an excuse. The city provided the excuse with abuse of police power. Again, a true statement. If we want to fix the problems, we have to look at the problems and determine the factors which play into them. Then we address those factors. It's the only way things get better. Partisan bickering and finger pointing will only ensure that this remains a problem for some time to come.
    That's pretty much how I see it. However, the problem is that if we examine these issue beyond the scope of what is acceptable to certain groups, we start hurting feelings.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    I'm not sure what message you are trying to get across here. I can't see anything incorrect in point number five from Obama. He's absolutely correct in his assessment about impoverished communities, primarily poor African-Americans, having too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals in ways that have raised troubling questions.

    If you think focusing on just the police (i.e. body cameras, etc) is the solution and not helping out these impoverished communities then you are wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You mean like you do?

    How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

    President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

    EXCERPTS:

    Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

    The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

    And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


    Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is great that he is saying all that.But its the other things he says that basically inflame people to riot and loot.
    You're wrong. People aren't 'inflamed' to riot and loot because someone points out that police brutality is an issue and violence isn't acceptable. They already know violence is an issue and violence is unacceptable. Rioting and looting are opportunistic, they're not based on the politics at the center of the matter.
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