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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    The president called the riots criminals, arsonists, etc. and explicitly condemned their actions. How can you listen/read the President's speech and not understand that?
    Initially, during the first days of the riots, the President had nothing to say about them and let his newly minted Attorney General field the questions. Then, while hosting the Prime Minister of Japan, and having a news conference, he was informed by his staff that he better be prepared to take questions and to make a statement about the riots in Baltimore, which he did.

    The President could have simply stated, as you note, that those rioting were/are criminals and thugs and called for it to stop immediately. That would have been the right thing to say. But no, he had to expand on that - for 14 minutes - throwing up all kinds of excuses and rationale for the riots, in effect, justifying them as an understandable response. That was wrong, in my view.

    And you know, when the President comes out, as he frequently does, and criticizes the police for their interaction with people of colour, does he ever speak to the excuses or rationale of why the police may act the way they act? No - he doesn't. He also uses those occasions to excuse and rationalize the behaviour of the people of colour who either lose their lives interacting with police or others, such as in the Zimmerman case.

    So maybe you should ask yourself why you can't understand what the President says when he speaks. I get his position plain and clear.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who can be upset with a statement condemning the rioting, and stating that it's counter productive and undermines the community? It should be condemned, it is counterproductive, and it does undermine the community. It's a true statement.

    I dislike Obama as much as any other Status Quo Republocrat, but it's a true statement. Why has this already devolved into a partisan pissing contest?
    Because some people just have to complain about any and everything President Obama says. Doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong; some folks just can't help themselves where he's concerned.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Hes not wrong.. stamp your feet now if you must...I trust CJs clarity over yours
    Er, perhaps you are cognitively challenged but I proved his statement incorrect.

    Feel free to trust whom you will tho, lol. Doesnt demonstrate any ability to discriminate fact from fiction on your part however.

    Now...since you've happily declared you will proceed with your misguided perceptions, why dont you continue the discussion, per forum rules?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You mean the wrong cons began labels and demonizing with Nixon's Southern Strategy and Atwater's initial use of the "N" word in the 1950s.
    It's been a most ugly progression to see the GOP turn from the party of IKE, TR, and Lincoln into what it is today .
    I do hope somebody buys you a TV for your birthday, or at least splurges on a newspaper for you, so you can advance past the 60s with your tiresome talking points.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You mean like you do?

    How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.

    President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ

    EXCERPTS:

    Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.

    The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.

    And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.


    Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
    I think it's important, however, to read the entirety of his words and not just stop at the talking points.

    Context does matter. So, if all one does is read the parts in bold (or narrate them as talk radio hosts have done, i.e., Mr. Producer, cut #3 - GO!) then not only do you miss what he and others believe are the driving forces behind why many young Black teenage boys/men find themselves on the wrong side of the law, you miss the larger message the President was trying to send.

    Clearly, government can't fix this problem...well, least not the federal government. But local governments, community organizations and most of all families can! That's the broader message the President was trying to send.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Er, perhaps you are cognitively challenged but I proved his statement incorrect.

    Feel free to trust whom you will tho, lol. Doesnt demonstrate any ability to discriminate fact from fiction on your part however.

    Now...since you've happily declared you will proceed with your misguided perceptions, why dont you continue the discussion, per forum rules?
    No...I am not... again you are not correct, even if you take a swipe at me it does not make you correct

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    I don't see him rationalizing anyone's behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Initially, during the first days of the riots, the President had nothing to say about them and let his newly minted Attorney General field the questions. Then, while hosting the Prime Minister of Japan, and having a news conference, he was informed by his staff that he better be prepared to take questions and to make a statement about the riots in Baltimore, which he did.

    The President could have simply stated, as you note, that those rioting were/are criminals and thugs and called for it to stop immediately. That would have been the right thing to say. But no, he had to expand on that - for 14 minutes - throwing up all kinds of excuses and rationale for the riots, in effect, justifying them as an understandable response. That was wrong, in my view.

    And you know, when the President comes out, as he frequently does, and criticizes the police for their interaction with people of colour, does he ever speak to the excuses or rationale of why the police may act the way they act? No - he doesn't. He also uses those occasions to excuse and rationalize the behaviour of the people of colour who either lose their lives interacting with police or others, such as in the Zimmerman case.

    So maybe you should ask yourself why you can't understand what the President says when he speaks. I get his position plain and clear.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Exactly. I couldn't (and didn't) articulate this in 7 pages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think it's important, however, to read the entirety of his words and not just stop at the talking points.

    Context does matter. So, if all one does is read the parts in bold (or narrate them as talk radio hosts have done, i.e., Mr. Producer, cut #3 - GO!) then not only do you miss what he and others believe are the driving forces behind why many young Black teenage boys/men find themselves on the wrong side of the law, you miss the larger message the President was trying to send.

    Clearly, government can't fix this problem...well, least not the federal government. But local governments, community organizations and most of all families can! That's the broader message the President was trying to send.
    Hail to the King baby!

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think it's important, however, to read the entirety of his words and not just stop at the talking points.

    Context does matter. So, if all one does is read the parts in bold (or narrate them as talk radio hosts have done, i.e., Mr. Producer, cut #3 - GO!) then not only do you miss what he and others believe are the driving forces behind why many young Black teenage boys/men find themselves on the wrong side of the law, you miss the larger message the President was trying to send.

    Clearly, government can't fix this problem...well, least not the federal government. But local governments, community organizations and most of all families can! That's the broader message the President was trying to send.
    Yes, I agree, context is important. That is the reason I posted the excerpts from the transcript. Because the TOS here would not allow the whole transcript to be posted, I chose the ones I included in my comments, and provided a link to the full transcript. Unlike the poster who created the OP, I was interested in the whole context of the Presidents comments, not just the cut and paste, talk show version provided in his link.

    If you read my comments, you will note I have not taken exception to his comments other than to point out they a just so many words, and de'rigueur for these type of events. What I have commented on was the way he prefaced the specific section I have been focusing on.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    No...I am not... again you are not correct, even if you take a swipe at me it does not make you correct
    I dont have to 'make myself correct". I am:

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    Unlike liberals, we see and call out lawlessness in every race. Liberals only see lawlessness if it wears a badge or it prays in a church.
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    CJ is 100% correct..his posts are spot on to those of us who follow these issues
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    Of course he's not spot on. I used to be in law enforcement...I carry a firearm....I am a practicing Christian...and I often support the police.

    And I'm a liberal.


    So much for your astute defense of his credibility. "100% correct" LOLOL Unless you'd like to suggest that I am an exception?
    And now you are also proven wrong.

    Care to keep going or can you manage to gather up what's left of the ego you seem to need to assert and continue the discussion?
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