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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unlike liberals, we see and call out lawlessness in every race. Liberals only see lawlessness if it wears a badge or it prays in a church.
    I'm just wondering how you, as a conservative, we're even able to tell the races apart. I would assume that you would just see "looters" and "rioters," and that any further attempts to distinguish them would just lead to blurry images and confusion.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unlike liberals, we see and call out lawlessness in every race. Liberals only see lawlessness if it wears a badge or it prays in a church.
    No liberals have criticized the rioters, apparently. None at all.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No liberals have criticized the rioters, apparently. None at all.
    Not on this thread you haven't - the best you've seen is liberals posting up videos and pics of white students rioting in a university town after a home win/loss and equating it with what's going on in Baltimore in an attempt to dismiss what is happening in Baltimore as nothing unusual.

    Led by the President, you've always got a "but" that follows or precedes any pained acknowledgement of liberal failings.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm just wondering how you, as a conservative, we're even able to tell the races apart. I would assume that you would just see "looters" and "rioters," and that any further attempts to distinguish them would just lead to blurry images and confusion.
    And see, I don't wonder at all about you - one, because you're transparent and two, because I don't give a ****.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I lived on grape soda and mayo sandwiches for a large part of my childhood and teen years. I didn't choose to live like that. It simply happened. It's kind of asking why people 'choose' to live in violent neighborhoods. The overwhelming majority don't. They live their lives as best they can and their economic conditions don't allow them to simply pack up and leave or start anew. The world doesn't work that way and never has. That won't change with social programs. However, what they can do is ensure that these people don't also fall victim to a mentality where crime is seen as a more viable alternative. These programs ensure we have a less violent society.



    I definitely understand your concerns. I was just trying to explain to you how poverty leads to crime. To be honest, I think the first step is discussing the issue outside of a vacuum. It's not enough to say 'fix the police departments!' and bingo. We're good. It's way more than that. It also involves knowing why people are disgruntled, and why they're protesting. Once we know the reasons behind that the solution isn't to attack anybody who discusses the issue in any depth which is what has been observed here.

    If I were in charge of dealing with a lot of this poverty, I'd make welfare programs into a reward system. People would be given benefits based on their contribution to society. If you have a job but it's simply not enough to make ends meet, the government should give you a hand. If you're poor and you can't find a job but your kids are doing well in school and they're trying to get off the poverty cycle (the use of the word trying), the government should be giving you a hand. If a person is sitting in their trailer/ghetto/backyard all day not doing **** with their lives, the government should give them nothing. I think that's a reasonable middle ground in all of this.
    I like your idea of a reward system for welfare! Not only does it make sense, it's fair. We all like being rewarded, and it introduces a bit of a competitive-game type of atmosphere into the mix. "I can do more than you can without breaking a sweat" type of thing. That's how most sports teams are run, and the cream will rise to the top. There are a lot of moms in this country who are trying to be both parents for their children, because the male half is missing from the home for various and sundry reasons, and I give them kudos for their efforts. How discouraged they must get at times! With our infrastructure falling apart, there's plenty of work to go around for any men who will step up to the plate. FDR did it, and we still enjoy the benefits of all the hard work those men did, and the public loved him for doing it. It's going to take a big change in thinking for those who see no hope in their future now, but I think it can be done. Little steps work better than giant strides sometimes. Let's get some businessmen involved, too. Great idea, Hatuey!

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Your inability to get over your hatred for Obama has made this conversation worthless and tiring. Lucky you only have 2 years left.
    However you want to paint it. I always love how people throw around the "hatred" meme. I don't hate the President. You should try some other meme, the "hate" BS is most certainly an accusation that is tiring and worthless.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't have access to Facebook, but if anyone does Ray Lewis, a former player with the Baltimore Ravens and a resident of the city posts a very passionate and powerful condemnation of the rioters in his city and calls for them to get off the streets. This is what I was calling for from the President - this is what I call leadership.
    Did he refer to the rioters as "black savages?"

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Did he refer to the rioters as "black savages?"

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    Perhaps your trolling will have better luck with someone else - buh-bye.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps your trolling will have better luck with someone else - buh-bye.
    Here's what I was able to find for Ray Lewis. They're his tweets:

    No way, No way this can happen in our city…

    — Ray Lewis (@raylewis) April 28, 2015

    #Violence is not the answer. We must have #peace in our #city, we are a city that's built on #Believing in each other. #BaltimoreRiots

    — Ray Lewis (@raylewis) April 28, 2015

    We must come together,we can stop the violence as a #community.These kids have to have real leaders,we need everybody to join this #movement

    — Ray Lewis (@raylewis) April 28, 2015

    Mention of "black savages" or race: none. So why do you want Obama to refer to "black savages" in a televised address to the nation in order to demonstrate his leadership, while you admire Ray Lewis for showing real leadership yet he isn't even required to mention race at all? Double standard much? Do you even remember what your point was supposed to be?
    Last edited by Cardinal; 04-29-15 at 11:30 AM.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Pointing out police corruption while also pointing out that such corruption does not excuse the violence we saw seems rather responsible and not conflicting whatsoever.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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