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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ocean515.

    I don't understand how he intends to "correct the problem of impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity" when it is his policies of "nanny government" that has created the problem by providing food stamps, housing assistance, and subsidies for everything else they want or need, including cell phones. What else can be done? Why blame anyone else, since none of us have anything to do with that? Why hasn't he created jobs for them, as he has promised every year since he was elected? And now he wants more jobs outsourced with his latest Trans-Pacific Treaty idea? That ought to solve a lot of problems - NOT! :
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hi Polgara

    So, imagine these pissed off, angry people. The President just laid out everything he thinks is wrong and that justifies their anger. Perhaps he even offered a few new ones they hadn't considered. And he does it with a preface that he's not trying to excuse anything BUT..........

    So what are they going to think later? Imagine: "Hey, things still suck, the President even talked about it. And it's been like three weeks, and it's still sucks. Let's riot."

    The denial on this thread that the President did this is quite remarkable.
    Those pissed off, angry people were protesting a legitimate issue of police abuses and to not acknowledge that would be insincere.


    The other people, the rioters, are criminals and were explicitly condemned by the President.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Only in conservative la-la land can a direct admonishment of rioters be considered tacit approval of rioting. The mental gymnastics being performed in this feeble attempt at maintaining a perfect score in the Blame Obama For Everything game are laughable.
    You don't get it Kobie, old buddy! This isn't about blaming Obama. It's about not having to discuss the issue at hand. That's all that has been done in this thread. The argument addressed in the OP was that Obama had approved of the rioting. When he EXPLICITLY came out and condemned it, they moved on to arguments about their personal emotions on the issue. Obama didn't do it "passionately" enough. He criticized every side! Even the police department! These are people who have no interest in ever addressing the underlying issue because they're fine with police brutality as long as it's used to maintain their beliefs on how things should be. The problem with their train of thought is that their way of discussing issues simply hasn't solved anything. The country tried it already.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    What the hell are you going on about?

    When did I ever write that the President said anything before the riots?
    Reading is crucial. I said that your premise is destroyed by the fact that the people rioting did not need them to support them in the first place. If they riot again, it won't be because Obama approved or justified of anything. He didn't. It will be because protest themselves lend themselves to criminality if the right elements are present. How hard is that to understand?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ocean515.

    I don't understand how he intends to "correct the problem of impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity" when it is his policies of "nanny government" that has created the problem by providing food stamps, housing assistance, and subsidies for everything else they want or need, including cell phones. What else can be done? Why blame anyone else, since none of us have anything to do with that? Why hasn't he created jobs for them, as he has promised every year since he was elected? And now he wants more jobs outsourced with his latest Trans-Pacific Treaty idea? That ought to solve a lot of problems - NOT! :
    I'm with you. Let's not forget the massive of influx of illegal aliens he has encouraged. They have devastated black communities here in Southern California, and I have to imagine they will cause the same problems in places like Baltimore. In fact, Baltimore has been trying to get illegals to come live there!


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    Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (D) has told Latinos, in particular, that she is counting on them to help Baltimore gain 10,000 families within a decade. As a first step, she signed an order in March prohibiting police and social agencies from asking anyone about immigration status and in the order, she explicitly asked federal immigration authorities to tell anyone they arrest that they are not agents of the city.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, ocean515.

    I don't understand how he intends to "correct the problem of impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity" when it is his policies of "nanny government" that has created the problem by providing food stamps, housing assistance, and subsidies for everything else they want or need, including cell phones. What else can be done? Why blame anyone else, since none of us have anything to do with that? Why hasn't he created jobs for them, as he has promised every year since he was elected? And now he wants more jobs outsourced with his latest Trans-Pacific Treaty idea? That ought to solve a lot of problems - NOT! :
    Obama didn't start food stamps, housing assistance or subsidies for "everything". There is absolutely no causation between welfare programs and criminality. However, there is a causation issue when discussing poverty and criminality. Which is what he discussed.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I'm with you. Let's not forget the massive of influx of illegal aliens he has encouraged.
    Which began just after Reagan's amnesty.
    Except in the minds of delusional far righties--who think they all showed up on Obama day one .
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Those pissed off, angry people were protesting a legitimate issue of police abuses and to not acknowledge that would be insincere.


    The other people, the rioters, are criminals and were explicitly condemned by the President.
    Yes they were condemned. Then the President gave them reason to riot again. He provided a laundry list of ills that he said must be addressed, or, in effect, we must expect this type of action to continue. He did that by stating that he wasn't offering excuses, but then went on to provide a bunch of excuses.

    That's my read. If you don't agree, I guess we'll have to leave it at that.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which began just after Reagan's amnesty.
    Except in the minds of delusional far righties--who think they all showed up on Obama day one .
    Damn... that's cold baby. Why you gotta bring Reagan into this? Don't you know time started in 2008?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Damn... that's cold baby. Why you gotta bring Reagan into this? Don't you know time started in 2008?
    frighties also like to forget that 400+ billion deficits started with their doG.
    That would be about 1.5 trillion today.
    But Obama owns his numbers--Reagan's troopers, not so much .
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