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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's a pretty sneaky method. A lot of posters have been trying it lately. They see protests and riots and then they feel they can get away with calling blacks 'savages' with impunity. If one were to apply the methods they use to decipher Obama's words, one could even argue that they're showing their racist streak. However, I'm way above that.
    Oh, I'm totally above that.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    meh, i have no problem with what Obama said.

    Idon't think his administration should be directly involved in anything going on in Baltimore, but making statements condemning rioting and such is perfectly fine.

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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You continue without answering simple questions? Why can't you answer them? Here they are again:

    Do you have a problem with saying that police alone can't solve the underlying issues here?
    Do you have a problem with saying that drugs are a problem in the black community?
    Do you have a problem with saying that minorities regularly deal with police brutality?

    You can't? Seems like your analysis falls flat if you answer these questions.
    LOL.

    They are colossally stupid question Hatuey. They have absolutely nothing to do with the Presidents prefacing of his comments.

    I have no problem with any of the issues you listed. Do you torture animals every day, or just on certain days?

    The point your very closed mind refuses to grasp is that the President laid out this long diatribe about all the things that are wrong, no different than every liberal/progressive politician has laid out for decades. However, since it's obvious to anyone with a brain they aren't going to be corrected any time in the near future, he understands when they riot again.

    This fact is as clear as day. Sorry the fog that you've come to live with is making it difficult to understand, or even refute.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You have no clue why I am angry or whether I am angry or what makes me angry or what I have interest in discussing. Now you can discuss the merits or lack thereof of my post, as I did yours, or you can continue to engage in full blown ad hominem and personal attack. Your choice.
    There are no ad hominem attacks or merits to your post. If you feel that there are, I welcome you to use the report function. Otherwise, quit your complaining.

    You're angry because Obama discussed the issue in depth. If that's what really bothers you, you can run right along with the rest of the feigned outrage crowd in this thread. What will remain obvious is obvious is that you lump protesters and riots in one group and avoid having to criticize EVERY side. That's a pretty intellectually dishonest approach to the situation.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Poverty has been on the rise since 2000. Is this the point in the argument where we blame Obama for everything pre-2008? Or should I say, It's all Dubya's fault? Or can we agree that the government as a whole has failed to take care of the impoverished?

    Sorry, but poverty has been on the rise since 2008 because American voters naively bought into to the same superficial narratives and platitudes that lead to the election of people like David Denkins.

    Blacks have been disproportionately affected by Obama's policies and in typical fasion the Democrat party reponds by telling us we're in the middle of a great recovery.

    Apparently we have very short memories. Democratsl policies on a local and State level have contributed to the increase in crime, dependance and poverty.

    From the 60s on its been one example after another that show just how toxic these " solutions " can be.

    There are real consequences to perpetuating divisive naratives for Political gain and there are real consequences to policies and legislation that stifle economic activity.

    Perpetuating disruptive and irresponsible rhetoric in a attempt to convince minorities that they're some how the victim of a nameless faceless entity for purely Political purposes is a base strategy for the Democrat party.

    Its no surprise race relations have gotten worse in the last 6 years. Its what happens when Progressive Politicians gain power and there's nothing new about it.

    NY was a cesspool under Democrat control right up until Rudy Giuliani took over. Only then did crime start to drop off. So what do New Yorkers do ?

    Give them enough time and they elect someone like Deblassio....unbelievable.

    Americans repeating the same failed experiment over and over by electing progressives and expecting a different outcome.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    They are colossally stupid question Hatuey. They have absolutely nothing to do with the Presidents prefacing of his comments.
    That's right, they address the bolded part in your quote.

    I have no problem with any of the issues you listed. Do you torture animals every day, or just on certain days?
    Then why did you specifically bold out those parts of the statements? You do realize that those questions address YOUR bolded statements. Right?

    The point your very closed mind refuses to grasp is that the President laid out this long diatribe about all the things that are wrong, no different than every liberal/progressive politician has laid out for decades.
    So your problem is that a liberal said it? That's not much of an argument. They're relevant to the situation.

    However, since it's obvious to anyone with a brain they aren't going to be corrected any time in the near future, he understands when they riot again.
    This statement is inconsistent with what Obama actually said. There aren't enough crystal ball arguments to change that.

    This fact is as clear as day. Sorry the fog that you've come to live with is making it difficult to understand, or even refute.
    Your arguments are getting weaker. Obama addressed the issue from different perspectives. He criticized the current system that perpetuates criminality and violence. He criticized the police officers who engage in brutality. He criticized people who riot. What exactly would have made Ocean feel more comfortable with his words? Platitudes that avoid indepth discussion of the issue?
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    I'll direct you to earlier in his speech.



    I don't know of a more explicit way for the President to condemn the riot and rioters.



    Your paraphrasing of his statement isn't accurate. He is highlighting the need for us, as a society, to recognize that we need to change the way things are if we are to avoid more of these "periodic conflicts between the police and the community."


    I posted sections of the transcript of his comments. How can I be paraphrasing improperly?


    Did he not say the following:

    "And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids;"

    Are you trying to suggest this is not an accurate paraphrase of his comments: Not to make any excuses, but let me offer these excuses....

    That is exactly what he did. Even worse, he is saying unless these issues are ALL addressed, riots will be something that occurs again. He has given the rioters justification for future riots. They can claim the President identified all these issues, and they haven't been addressed, so let's riot.

    You have to be really closed minded not to even consider this point is true.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    meh, i have no problem with what Obama said.

    Idon't think his administration should be directly involved in anything going on in Baltimore, but making statements condemning rioting and such is perfectly fine.
    Shh.... crystal ball arguments are in process. Go away.
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    But you mean for him to differentiate by making sure people understand he's referring to the "black" savages, right?
    White savages are A-OK!
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    Re: Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you want him to say "black savages" on TV?
    Guess who would be the first in line to bitch if he did.
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