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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "A racist right wing rag"? Do you dispute the facts contained in that article or can you only offer your juvenile critiques of the sources??

    When the uninformed, and this is deliberate in your case, they attack the source, never the facts. Of course I also had a strong hunch you would self censor.
    Sometimes the source can't be dealt with any other way then to attack it,for instance Fox news and Rush. when so much of it is lies or such distortions, it's a total waste of time and energy trying to strain through the few truths that come with these two sources , that I think it is acceptably to disregard or attack for what they are.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Sometimes the source can't be dealt with any other way then to attack it,for instance Fox news and Rush. when so much of it is lies or such distortions, it's a total waste of time and energy trying to strain through the few truths that come with these two sources , that I think it is acceptably to disregard or attack for what they are.
    And of course it's much easier to just attack the source, while claiming 'lies and distortions', than to come up with any meaningful rebuttal.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And of course it's much easier to just attack the source, while claiming 'lies and distortions', than to come up with any meaningful rebuttal.
    Your right claiming isn't sufficient , I know that as a fact. Those two sources I listed, only say what they are told to say, they are simply a arm of the regressive party.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Your right claiming isn't sufficient , I know that as a fact. Those two sources I listed, only say what they are told to say, they are simply a arm of the regressive party.
    The 'regressive party"?

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This is the Pentagon looking for a new war...... bull**** on bull****.

    The ship seized was Danish owned, and was seized because the company owed money.. it is a legal dispute. This happens all the time, and yet the Pentagon does not deem those cases worthy enough for military escorts and banging the war drums...
    Harassment of multiple ships over a short period of time isn't simply a matter of a specific commercial ship's being involved in a dispute. Having said that, more robust patrols to safeguard shipping in the affected waters would be vastly preferable to a military response.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Harassment of multiple ships over a short period of time isn't simply a matter of a specific commercial ship's being involved in a dispute. Having said that, more robust patrols to safeguard shipping in the affected waters would be vastly preferable to a military response.
    Supposed harassment of multiple ships...only ones saying this is the US military and its allies and they are hardly unbiased in the matter as they seem to want a war.

    Think of it this way... Iran depends fully on the strait of Hormuz for its exports.. why on earth would they jeopardize this for a few cheap political points? No the only ones really wanting to dominate and cut Iran off from the Straits is the US and its allies.. to choke Iran even more.
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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Supposed harassment of multiple ships...only ones saying this is the US military and its allies and they are hardly unbiased in the matter as they seem to want a war.

    Think of it this way... Iran depends fully on the strait of Hormuz for its exports.. why on earth would they jeopardize this for a few cheap political points? No the only ones really wanting to dominate and cut Iran off from the Straits is the US and its allies.. to choke Iran even more.
    There may be numerous rationale for such Iranian actions. For example, Iran clearly views a nuclear agreement as critical to its national interests. If Iran believes pressure could lead to somewhat more favorable terms and it calculates that such pressure has a reasonable prospect of succeeding, such pressure would make sense. That may well be what's at play. Iran seeks the lifting of all sanctions upon an agreement (the P5+1 seeks phased sanctions relief) and a broad exemption from international inspection for its military facilities. By imposing pressure, Iran might be signaling that a world without an agreement would be hazardous and that even if the P5+1 doesn't like all the terms, concluding what they would view as a flawed agreement would be better than the status quo. Such a strategy would not be about scoring "a few cheap political points," but shifting the likelihood and terms of an agreement that would significantly benefit Iran's national interest.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There may be numerous rationale for such Iranian actions. For example, Iran clearly views a nuclear agreement as critical to its national interests. If Iran believes pressure could lead to somewhat more favorable terms and it calculates that such pressure has a reasonable prospect of succeeding, such pressure would make sense. That may well be what's at play. Iran seeks the lifting of all sanctions upon an agreement (the P5+1 seeks phased sanctions relief) and a broad exemption from international inspection for its military facilities. By imposing pressure, Iran might be signaling that a world without an agreement would be hazardous and that even if the P5+1 doesn't like all the terms, concluding what they would view as a flawed agreement would be better than the status quo. Such a strategy would not be about scoring "a few cheap political points," but shifting the likelihood and terms of an agreement that would significantly benefit Iran's national interest.
    Or it could be a US plot to put pressure on Iran as well.. After all the US policy on Iran is hardly uniform and I bet that within the US military there is a rather large movement for war.. since the US military has no more wars to fight basically and that means cuts in budgets.

    Listen, the US murdered 200+ people on an Iranian airplane and that did not start a war.. Iran sailing boats around ships in international waters.. which is not illegal btw, will that trigger a war? Doubtful, unless the US wants a war... then of course the US can just make **** up and attack like they did with Iraq.
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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Iran sailing boats around ships in international waters.. which is not illegal btw, will that trigger a war?
    Doubtful it will trigger a war, but your characterization of "Iran sailing boats around ships in international waters" is clearly far from what actually happened.

    An Iranian warship ordered the MV Maersk Tigris to adjust course from international waters to Iranian waters. When the Maersk captain refused, the Iranian warship fired shots across the bow. The Maersk Tigris then complied and once it was in Iranian waters it was then ordered to dock at the Iranian port at Bander Abbas.

    This action was clearly illegal under the United Nations Law of the Seas Treaty...

    Iran’s legal claims for seizing the Maersk Tigris

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    I must say that regressives just love to get that war drum going don't they. This is a nothing, if our Allie did this, we would help them and you saying they are our enemy is a lie because they surely aren't mine. If you think that America actions are just acceptable and Irans are just automatically not accepting then we don't agree and with regressives that always the case. blind followers not leaders

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