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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The ship seized was Danish owned, and was seized because the company owed money.. it is a legal dispute.
    According to maritime records, the ship is currently chartered by Maersk Line (subsidy of A.P. Moller–Maersk Group), registered in the Marshall Islands (flag of convenience), and the ship containers are owned by Maersk. The ship itself is owned by Wide Gulf Ltd (investment group / US majority), and managed by Rickmers Shipmanagement which is based in Singapore. The ship was previously named Wide Gulf.

    Initially, Al-Arabiya mistakenly reported that the MV Maersk Tigris was US flagged. The court case is 10 years old and was dismissed in 2007. Iran then twice attempted to try the case in different courts unsuccessfully. Proceedings were then initiated in the Tehran Public Civil Court. On 18 February 2015 the Tehran Court ruled that Maersk must pay USD163,000 and Maersk accepted the ruling. Iran however, appealed the ruling seeking higher compensation (USD4 million). On or about 28 April 2015, the Tehran appeal court ruled that Maersk must pay USD3.6 million. Maersk was not provided the most recent court documents nor the opportunity to appeal before the ship was seized.

    In cases like this, a ship is usually seized with court documents while anchored in port, rather than making innocent passage in international waters .

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The detention of a Danish cargo ship by the Iranian navy is linked to a long-running legal dispute, Iran's foreign minister has said.
    Javad Zarif said that the Maersk shipping company, which charters the vessel, had been ordered by an Iranian court to pay damages to a private firm.
    The Maersk Tigris was seized in the strategic Strait of Hormuz on Tuesday with 24 crew on board.
    The United States has sent a military vessel to monitor the situation.

    So why in the **** is the US running over and sticking its nose into a matter in which they have no business? Never mind, its rhetorical.
    In fact they do have business with the Marshall Islands and this ship. here's a bit of history and the law involved.

    http://townhall.com/columnists/carol...-tale-n1993129

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact they do have business with the Marshall Islands and this ship. here's a bit of history and the law involved.

    The Marshall Island's Cautionary Tale - Caroline Glick - Page 1
    Oh that racist right wing rag. Yes, well at least they pointed out that the Obama administration didn't condemn the act by Iran.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh that racist right wing rag. Yes, well at least they pointed out that the Obama administration didn't condemn the act by Iran.
    "A racist right wing rag"? Do you dispute the facts contained in that article or can you only offer your juvenile critiques of the sources??

    When the uninformed, and this is deliberate in your case, they attack the source, never the facts. Of course I also had a strong hunch you would self censor.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "A racist right wing rag"? Do you dispute the facts contained in that article or can you only offer your juvenile critiques of the sources??

    When the uninformed, and this is deliberate in your case, they attack the source, never the facts. Of course I also had a strong hunch you would self censor.
    Shall we count the ways in which Ms Glick is wrong:

    Second sentence -- "Iran controls the strategic waterway" WRONG!! Iran patrols that half of the Hormuz Straits which lies alongs its shoreline

    "the Iranian seizure of the ship was in effect an act of war against America." Really? Was the attack on the USS Liberty an act of war? 34 Americans died in that attack, there are 34 non-Americans in total on the Maersk Tigris

    Then she goes off into a long rant about various "anti-Israeli" actions, totally unrelated to the seizure of the ship by Iran and finally we get to the real target, President Obama. Like many of the haters, Ms Glick 'knows' the President's real intentions - just how she and others 'know' this stuff is not to be questioned but simply accepted -- because it is the TRUTH
    Obama’s actual goals in both have little to do with his stated ones.
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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Shall we count the ways in which Ms Glick is wrong:
    Sure.
    Second sentence -- "Iran controls the strategic waterway" WRONG!! Iran patrols that half of the Hormuz Straits which lies alongs its shoreline
    Then they effectively control it. They seized a ship not in Iranian waters and did so with impunity. Who controls it if not Iran?
    "the Iranian seizure of the ship was in effect an act of war against America." Really?
    Obviously, if the US wants to pursue that line. All you need do is familiarize yourself with the arrangement between the Marshall Islands and the USA.
    Was the attack on the USS Liberty an act of war? 34 Americans died in that attack, there are 34 non-Americans in total on the Maersk Tigris
    You've wandered off into another area. Best stick to the topic.
    Then she goes off into a long rant about various "anti-Israeli" actions, totally unrelated to the seizure of the ship by Iran and finally we get to the real target, President Obama. Like many of the haters, Ms Glick 'knows' the President's real intentions - just how she and others 'know' this stuff is not to be questioned but simply accepted -- because it is the TRUTH
    The opinions are hers, and they are drawn from the facts she has outlined.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Sure.

    Then they effectively control it. They seized a ship not effectively in Iranian waters and with impunity.

    Obviously, if the US wants to pursue that line. All you need do is familiarize yourself with the arrangement between the Marshall Islands and the USA.

    You've wandered off into another area. Best stick to the topic.
    The opinions are hers, and they are drawn from the facts she has outlined.
    It's that last sentence of yours which forms the foundation of the wall between our opinions - her "facts" are seldom ones I would see as factual
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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It's that last sentence of yours which forms the foundation of the wall between our opinions - her "facts" are seldom ones I would see as factual
    Then perhaps you should broaden your sources of reading materials in order to see the larger picture.

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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    A dose of reality for those who think the President is secretly aiding the Iranian push to destroy Israel when he does "nothing" about the ship seizure

    Please note the plural "ships" in the headline
    Navy warships accompany 4 US-flagged vessels in Strait of Hormuz

    MANAMA, Bahrain — Navy warships have started accompanying U.S.-flagged vessels through the Strait of Hormuz in the latest move to reassure maritime traffic after Iranian ships seized a ship flying the flag of a U.S.-protected island nation.

    The decision was based on a recommendation by U.S. Central Command, which is responsible for U.S. military operations in the Middle East, American defense officials said.

    The Navy has accompanied four U.S.-flagged ships and one British vessel through the strait so far, according to The Associated Press. The U.S. ships belonged to the Military Sealift Command or were contract vessels with civilian crews, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren told the AP.
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    For security reasons, officials would not specify the types and number of U.S. warships involved.
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    Re: Iran's military 'fires at and seizes US cargo ship'[W:75]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A dose of reality for those who think the President is secretly aiding the Iranian push to destroy Israel when he does "nothing" about the ship seizure

    Please note the plural "ships" in the headline
    Good to see that Obama is following these recommendations of the US Central Command in this instance..

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