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Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

The Baltimore Police have something of a credibility deficit already.

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On the other hand both statements can be true....

Half of the cops involved and arrested are Black.

" Racist Cops "...
 
Maybe the Ruling Class deliberately set out to criminalize Poor Folks so as they become of legal age they are unable to own a gun.

There is no way that law enforcement would unfairly target and harass any area of town if everyone had a gun, like in most white areas of town.

Maybe, before you bring a community to their knees, and drain the city of financial resources or heap oppression upon the local residents, maybe, yuh gotta disarm them first?

I don't remember a political rally or protest parade in a black area of a city and who were armed to the hilt like the middle class was when they headed out to their Tea Party meetings. I never saw a group of poor folks flashing their NRA badges. All those folks who signed up to the Norquist Pledge have no problem defending their "Human Rights" at the threat of a gun.

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If I was a working stiff on Wall Street and there were Occupy Folks outside protesting and causing damage maybe, and if my boss told me to get my ass outside and strike somebody on the head as hard as I could with a baseball bat, I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could find the amount of violence within my soul in order to carry out such an order.

Maybe if I was set upon or attacked, I might well find the necessary violence or inner strength and strike out at my opponent, but not just some individual Occupy Protester who simply refused to clear the street and/or "Civilly" challenged authority as to the neccessessity and/or my bosses right to instruct me on head bashing techniques.

When I see law enforcement crack somebody over the skull or spray chemical gasses into their faces, I see a person who would agree to follow my boses instructions for a salary of 75 or a hundred thousand bucks a year and a lifetime of fringe benefits. And, I see a guy who loves living his middle class life as a cop and will crack as many heads as necessary just to keep his job and pay his middle class lifestyle.

Is just the fact that "Authority" was being challenged enough to sic the dogs on people?

Do the police just crack skulls because it is cheaper than to hire more police?

Who are these mercenaries who can dish out such violence upon another human being?

Calm
 
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When I watch law enforcement break up an illegal strike or an illegal picket line at any workplace, I keep thinking of how law enforcement enjoys the most affluent and most protective workplace labor contract known to ManKind. In Toronto, the cops refused to obey a court order to wear proper "Uniform" hats while on duty. The cops were all wearing baseball hats as a form of protest or pressure on City Hall to meet the union demands. In some areas of North America, the cops threatened to withdraw their labor and call in sick.

And when I watch law enforcement appear in TV Land and beg people to rat on their neighbours if they see them steal a lawn mower, while the cops themselves have a Blue Line built into their "System" and anybody who rats out a fellow cop is shunned as if in a leper colony.

Everyone should read a Police Union Contract and there would be no doubt about why they like being a cop. And, just in case you are not aware, there are many side agreements which are signed but do not appear in the published "Member Contract" booklet. But the lawyers got all the addendums.

And all those folks within these forums, and have voiced your view that most all unions should be shut down in the morning .... Well, I dare you all to start with Police Unions and Associations. Make them your test case, If your plan succeeds there, then ask me to quit my union association.

Maybe it would be cheaper to close down the union and all the fringe benefits, and just make the cops themselves pay "Malpractice" insurance like a doctor does?

Calm
 
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Over your head? Do the job and you will see all kinds of crap from both LEO and citizens.

What are you trying to say here, that cops are justified in their abuse, excessive force, corruption, and violation of department conduct codes because they have a tough job? I mean there's others that would agree with you, but certainly not everyone.
 
What are you trying to say here, that cops are justified in their abuse, excessive force, corruption, and violation of department conduct codes because they have a tough job? I mean there's others that would agree with you, but certainly not everyone.

Clearly over your head.
 
Oh now you spare me j. Stop your apologetics. The police chief has acknowledged that officers have indeed VIOLATED the departments code. In just the last four years they have paid out 5.7 million in lost law suits, and go read the Sun which has been documenting the baltimore police departments abuse, corruption and excess. Defending this filth is itself filthy!!!!

So the police involved now don't deserve due process...My aren't you selective with others rights...:roll:
 
Half of the cops involved and arrested are Black.

" Racist Cops "...

Your response does not relate to what I posted. Is there something you'd like to get off your chest here?
 
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Dear defensive whites: See my sig in response to your fragility.
 
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Dear defensive whites: See my sig in response to your fragility.

I certainly don't get " freaked out ".

The Democrats have taken all of the meaning out of the charge of racism by irresponsibly and constantly employing as part of a larger divisve strategy.

They figure if they convince people that there's a racist around every corner then they might be able to get a few votes out it.

Keeping these decades old Inner city Democrat monopolies going at the expense of the people that live there is far more important than addressing anything substantial.

Convincing people that they're " victims " of some nameless faceless entity that they have no power over is destructive and irresponsible but who cares, they need votes.

Have theybset up voter drives in Baltimore yet like they did in Ferguson ? Democrats never waste a opportunity to exploit the death of one Black male.

Hundreds or thousands killed every year in inner cities due to gang violence ? No that can't be blamed on " racism " so no voter drives there.
 
I certainly don't get " freaked out ".

The Democrats

Do you support blacks' rights to use "second-amendment solutions" to preserve their basic physical safety from the police, or not?
 
Do you support blacks' rights to use "second-amendment solutions" to preserve their basic physical safety from the police, or not?

Do I support Blacks pulling guns on Police ? LOL !

Uhm, no. I dont support anyone doing something that stupid.

I'm not naive enough to buy into the narrative that its the " Police " that are their primary problem.

No, no I don't have my head burried into the sand reading left wing hack sites that ignore the crushing poverty, unemployment and Black on Black violence that claims far more lives than lives lost due to " Police brutality ".

My concern goes beyond pop narratives and identity Politics.

Although you gotta love the Obama administrations " solution " to Ferguson. Purely Political and USELESS for dealing with the ACTUAL and substantial issues that affect communities like Ferguson the Obama administration wrote up a list for LEOs for " How not to be a Racist Cop ".

After " Hands up don't shoot " was proven to be a LIE the Obama administration STILL stuck to the narrative.....Lol !!

They're committed I'll admit that. Dont give a rats ass about the people in those communities but they're committed.
 
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Half of the cops involved and arrested are Black.

" Racist Cops "...

It's not about individual cops. It's about Baltimore Police Department policy. Individually I think most cops are fair and understanding when they are given that ability to do so, i.e. not to bust anybody or everybody for some small end stuff and "walk" the beat, know the people they are policing.

Where I have a problem is the group think of the Police at policy level that is pushed down on the beat cop to enforce. This collective answer to problems in which Police HQ has is one about keeping funds flying into their coffers. They need all kinds of arrests to beef up their numbers so they look tough on crime so they can get those federal dollars. So they can get the MRAP, the latest and greatest the US military is giving away to police.

There is always more then one way to skin a cat and the way they've been skinning the cat for the last 30 years hasn't worked. So it's a policy issue in my eyes.
 
Do I support Blacks pulling guns on Police ? LOL !

Uhm, no. I dont support anyone doing something that stupid.

Good!! Then get in the gun control forum and tell the people there that LEOs are never to have guns pointed at them. Because some of them actually do.
 
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Nuff said!

Yep and he ended up dead and his death sparked of riots that were some of the worse in American history. D.C., Baltimore, Chicago, Louisville, KC and other places as well. There was death, active military deployed and neighborhood were just rubble afterwards.

You should read MLK's other speech known as "The Other America". In which he said this:

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

MLK on riots:

"Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. There are thus elements of emotional catharsis in the violent act. This may explain why most cities in which riots have occurred have not had a repetition, even though the causative conditions remain. It is also noteworthy that the amount of physical harm done to white people other than police is infinitesimal and in Detroit whites and Negroes looted in unity."

MLK on riots.

With that said.. I don't justify riots and never will but I understand it. As a white person I've never needed to riot but I sure as hell would riot if I was in that condition in which my life has no meaning.
 
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The clear problem with that is it simply isn't true.
Especially in believing there is systemic racism.
 
I got just one more major complaint about the cops ....

In Toronto, the cops are allowed to act/work as security guards at major public events and gatherings after normal working hours and allowed to do this while wearing the Toronto Police uniform.

It used to be that elderly men and women who left the armed forces or who retired from being a prison guard or the like, it used to be these guys who found much needed work and to add to their monthly pension allowance.

Since time began, the cops really did not view security guards in a "Professional" way. The cops mocked "Rent-A-Cops" at every turn.

But, when the cops got the right to wear the Toronto Police Uniform after working hours (and not have to stoop as low so as to wear a plain ol' security guard outfit,) they are making huge amounts of money with part time jobs. Huge amounts!!

Cops should not be allowed to wear a Toronto Police Uniform while working for a private company.

Calm
 
The very worst thing that a protester can do is to bring a cell phone to a protest parade.

The cops are using "Singray"

The technology – a cellphone tracking device about the size of a suitcase – is commonly referred to as “Stingray” after a popular brand. It typically tricks a user’s phone into thinking that it is a provider, forcing phones in the immediate area to send data to the police instead of the nearest cellphone tower. Officers can then track cellphone users' locations and identifying information.
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The cops are reading and listening "Live" to every cell phone and are using these records to create "Association" lists. Anybody attending the protest parade is identified and could easily be called upon to testify as to what they saw or witnessed during the protest. Or, they might be asked to defend themselves and explain why they attended the protest in the first place.

And, in the future, when the protests increase and spread across North America, the cell phone records will be used to place you on a No-Fly List and to prevent you from attending any other protest event.

Leave your cell phones at home.

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I'm a white guy ..... but I have read and studied much racial history within North America and especially the North American Indian which Canada has treated with ugliness.

Here is what I read over the past 10 years or so, and which I felt was worthwhile to save or to copy/paste for future reference.
http://www.pair-annoyed.com:9090/CalmZZZ-----CalmZZZ/showthread.php?t=6507

And I would think that if there is a prevailent sense of racism within society itself and which allows such discrimination with both legal and/or financial laws within poor minority communities to continue over a lengthy period of time, then obviously it has found a place within police offices as well. Police are not born of the Virgin Mary. They are not a special species of sorts.

Calm

I will remove the above link from my server after 24 hours.
 
I'm a white guy
Irrelevant.

but I have read and studied much racial history within North America and especially the North American Indian which Canada has treated with ugliness.
Irrelevant.

This is the topic.
Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers
 
yeah not much chance of this nonsense taking place in states where most citizens can own weapons and carry them in public

I have a SW 40 in the car and often a CMMG M4 in the trunk

Wake up Turtle!

The Police have guns in Baltimore. Just like them, if you or I shot a protester, we'd be arrested on the spot for murder. You could shoot a protester that was firing a gun, if you want to waste a bunch of time.
 
The clear problem with that is it simply isn't true.
Especially in believing there is systemic racism.

You seem to be on a personal campaign to drown out my voice all of a sudden. I wonder why that is, Excon?
 
You seem to be on a personal campaign to drown out my voice all of a sudden. I wonder why that is, Excon?
It seems your imagination is getting the best of you.

I do not focus on people, I focus on what has been presented.
 
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It seems your imagination is getting the best of you.

I do not focus on people, I focus on what has been presented.

You had hardly said a word to me until the other day. Then something changed.

I'm genuinely curious. Are you trying to make up for lost time? Are you afraid of the skeery librul soshalist agenda that you think I'm spreading?
 
You had hardly said a word to me until the other day. Then something changed.
In the other thread you provided off-topic nonsense. I pointed that out. You wanted to continue that exchange.

In this thread I commented about an image you posted that was entirely absurd and untrue. And now it appears you want to continue this exchange as well. :doh


I'm genuinely curious. Are you trying to make up for lost time? Are you afraid of the skeery librul soshalist agenda that you think I'm spreading?
And again. I focus on what has been presented.
But this is again an example of your imagination getting the best of you. That is what you should be curious about.
 
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