Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

j-mac said:

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I don't comprehend how inequality and unequal application of the legal system within America can be argued as a Democratic or Republican issue or fault.

It is a "Systemic Fault".

And when I use the term "Ruling Class" it would mean "City Leadership" and both the State and Federal "Political/Intellectual Class".

And who really cares whose fault it is that civil unrest has reared its ugly head?

Inequality and injustice is a fact within visible minority communities and over a long period of time.

Calm

calm said:

I don't comprehend how inequality and unequal application of the legal system within America can be argued as a Democratic or Republican issue or fault.

It is a "Systemic Fault".

And when I use the term "Ruling Class" it would mean "City Leadership" and both the State and Federal "Political/Intellectual Class".

And who really cares whose fault it is that civil unrest has reared its ugly head?

Inequality and injustice is a fact within visible minority communities and over a long period of time.

Calm

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That kind of blather may work well in countries like Venezuela, but this is America Calm, not some socialist hell hole....If you think that is the best way to move a country forward, you're in the wrong place.

Nuff said!

American said:

Nuff said!

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Again, he would be the guy that would disagree with both the President and the Mayor of Baltimore about the destruction of property during riots. He would be an apologist for the actions of those boys and men. MLK was the dude who was saying we shouldn't care about a city burning up.

It's okay to say MLK was wrong about this, you know (because he sure as hell was). But at least get your history right.

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You mentioned Venezuela .....

What I could never understand is that if "Socialist" leaning countries and governments were composed of complete idiots, then why doesn't the U.S. just sit back and keep their Face-Holes shut and quietly watch the Socialist system collapse all by its lonesome?

Why does the U.S. Capitalist feel the absolute need .... the paramount importance to do everything in its power to hurry the economic/societal collapse within these foreign countries? Why not just simply sit back and laugh as the Socialist System fails and then exclaim "We Told You So" ?

So what if Venezuela wants to have a more different form of government or system?

The truth must be that a Socialist System is a direct competitor to U.S. Capitalism and it can not be allowed to succeed.

The U.S. Capitalists can't handle the competition.

For 50 years America shamed and threatened the Soviet System and forced the Soviets to invest in the military for fear of being attacked and/or were forced to hire thousands of KGB agents just to quell the unrest which the U.S. Capitalists were financing inside the Soviet Union. The soviets were forced to invest in military and security rather then in its people. Same thing that the U.S. has done since time began to many countries across the universe. At the same time the CIA was telling us to hide under our desks in grade school, Americas greatest European Ally was giving the USSR free wheat.

And worse ..... America has an army which is totally composed of "Socialism" from cradle to grave. Government subsidized everything. America uses an army of Socialists to attack the Socialist competition.

Calm

j-mac said:

Hmmm...disgusting. alcohol and opportunity are a bad mix. I never underestimate the ability of jerks to show their ass. I hope you guys are ok.

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Yes, Alcohol makes people do and say stupid things, throw in a situation in which tension were already high.. the powder keg was gonna blow. It's all good been in worse fights as a kid.

austrianecon said:

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I sort of picture myself sitting in a community bar in Baltimore .....

This music playing in the background .....

When The Welfare Turns It's Back On You
By Robert Cray
(MP3 Format)
http://108.162.96.147:9090/NEWS/RobertCray-WhenTheWelfareTurnsItsBackOnYou.mp3

Welfare Store Blues
By Sonny Boy Williamson (Aka. John Lee Williamson )
(MP3 Format)
http://108.162.96.147:9090/NEWS/SonnyBoyWilliamson-WelfareStoreBlues.mp3

I Don't Want Your Welfare
By Bo Diddley
(MP3 Format)
http://108.162.96.147:9090/NEWS/BoDiddley-IDontWantYourWelfare.mp3

I will leave these links active for the next 24 hours and then just delete the files from my server.

Calm

Fiddytree said:

Again, he would be the guy that would disagree with both the President and the Mayor of Baltimore about the destruction of property during riots. He would be an apologist for the actions of those boys and men. MLK was the dude who was saying we shouldn't care about a city burning up.

It's okay to say MLK was wrong about this, you know (because he sure as hell was). But at least get your history right.

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I'd like to see that quote, very interesting.

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You mentioned Venezuela .....

What I could never understand is that if "Socialist" leaning countries and governments were composed of complete idiots, then why doesn't the U.S. just sit back and keep their Face-Holes shut and quietly watch the Socialist system collapse all by its lonesome?

Why does the U.S. Capitalist feel the absolute need .... the paramount importance to do everything in its power to hurry the economic/societal collapse within these foreign countries? Why not just simply sit back and laugh as the Socialist System fails and then exclaim "We Told You So" ?

So what if Venezuela wants to have a more different form of government or system?

The truth must be that a Socialist System is a direct competitor to U.S. Capitalism and it can not be allowed to succeed.

The U.S. Capitalists can't handle the competition.

For 50 years America shamed and threatened the Soviet System and forced the Soviets to invest in the military for fear of being attacked and/or were forced to hire thousands of KGB agents just to quell the unrest which the U.S. Capitalists were financing inside the Soviet Union. The soviets were forced to invest in military and security rather then in its people. Same thing that the U.S. has done since time began to many countries across the universe. At the same time the CIA was telling us to hide under our desks in grade school, Americas greatest European Ally was giving the USSR free wheat.

And worse ..... America has an army which is totally composed of "Socialism" from cradle to grave. Government subsidized everything. America uses an army of Socialists to attack the Socialist competition.

Calm

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The US largely DOES let Socialism collapse on its own....And collapse is what it does in every situation...As for the military being a "Socialist construct", I guess in some ways you could say that is what it has become, with the advent of the military being used as a solution for some to escape the situations they are in, in life. But, the military is a different animal in the sense that you are not "stuck" in that system for life...When you complete your enlistment, you are free to either re enlist, or get out....Tell me if Socialism in many cases is such a utopia, then why do they have to force people to stay?

CRUE CAB said:

No, I never worked there.

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That's what I thought. In fact you probably are unaware of any cop anywhere ever having done anything wrong.

calm said:

I don't comprehend how inequality and unequal application of the legal system within America can be argued as a Democratic or Republican issue or fault.

It is a "Systemic Fault".

And when I use the term "Ruling Class" it would mean "City Leadership" and both the State and Federal "Political/Intellectual Class".

And who really cares whose fault it is that civil unrest has reared its ugly head?

Inequality and injustice is a fact within visible minority communities and over a long period of time.

Calm

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Like so many problems that face us (climate change, the national debt, etc.) that affect everybody, that everybody is a contributor to, nothing can be accomplished for the partisan finger pointing and politicisation of it. :shrug:

Montecresto said:

That's what I thought. In fact you probably are unaware of any cop anywhere ever having done anything wrong.

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Wow, that's dishonest...Why would you say that other than to simply attack another poster? Do you think that response was helpful to your argument, or were you just displaying childish frustration? But you're better than that Monte....Don't devolve....

calm said:

You mentioned Venezuela .....

What I could never understand is that if "Socialist" leaning countries and governments were composed of complete idiots, then why doesn't the U.S. just sit back and keep their Face-Holes shut and quietly watch the Socialist system collapse all by its lonesome?

Why does the U.S. Capitalist feel the absolute need .... the paramount importance to do everything in its power to hurry the economic/societal collapse within these foreign countries? Why not just simply sit back and laugh as the Socialist System fails and then exclaim "We Told You So" ?

So what if Venezuela wants to have a more different form of government or system?

The truth must be that a Socialist System is a direct competitor to U.S. Capitalism and it can not be allowed to succeed.

The U.S. Capitalists can't handle the competition.

For 50 years America shamed and threatened the Soviet System and forced the Soviets to invest in the military for fear of being attacked and/or were forced to hire thousands of KGB agents just to quell the unrest which the U.S. Capitalists were financing inside the Soviet Union. The soviets were forced to invest in military and security rather then in its people. Same thing that the U.S. has done since time began to many countries across the universe. At the same time the CIA was telling us to hide under our desks in grade school, Americas greatest European Ally was giving the USSR free wheat.

And worse ..... America has an army which is totally composed of "Socialism" from cradle to grave. Government subsidized everything. America uses an army of Socialists to attack the Socialist competition.

Calm

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As a matter of fact, not only were democratically elected, left leaning (socialistic type governments) not left alone, in Latin America, the US toppled many of them replacing them with right wing dictatorships.

Montecresto said:

Like so many problems that face us (climate change, the national debt, etc.) that affect everybody, that everybody is a contributor to, nothing can be accomplished for the partisan finger pointing and politicisation of it. :shrug:

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Oh, you mean statements like this:

"That's what I thought. In fact you probably are unaware of any cop anywhere ever having done anything wrong."

Please spare us....

j-mac said:

Wow, that's dishonest...Why would you say that other than to simply attack another poster? Do you think that response was helpful to your argument, or were you just displaying childish frustration? But you're better than that Monte....Don't devolve....

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What'd you think of Crews response to my question? Must one work for the baltimore police department to be aware of any wrong doing there?!?!? Right.

j-mac said:

Oh, you mean statements like this:

"That's what I thought. In fact you probably are unaware of any cop anywhere ever having done anything wrong."

Please spare us....

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Are you bored this morning j? Two comments on the same post. I see you don't know what partisanship is though.

Montecresto said:

What'd you think of Crews response to my question? Must one work for the baltimore police department to be aware of any wrong doing there?!?!? Right.

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I'd say that if someone didn't work for the department, then it would be speculation to comment on internal workings of that department, but don't let that stop you....

But, why should that type of reasoning be off the table. I have seen you yourself use that same type of reasoning before arguing other things....(No, I will not look them up) But, I doubt that you will take responsibility for such...:shrug: I guess it's only off limits when used against you.

Montecresto said:

Are you bored this morning j? Two comments on the same post. I see you don't know what partisanship is though.

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yep, not for long though, just pulled the cover to my pool, so I'll be busy changing the color from green to clear....ha!

j-mac said:

I'd say that if someone didn't work for the department, then it would be speculation to comment on internal workings of that department, but don't let that stop you....

But, why should that type of reasoning be off the table. I have seen you yourself use that same type of reasoning before arguing other things....(No, I will not look them up) But, I doubt that you will take responsibility for such...:shrug: I guess it's only off limits when used against you.

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Oh now you spare me j. Stop your apologetics. The police chief has acknowledged that officers have indeed VIOLATED the departments code. In just the last four years they have paid out 5.7 million in lost law suits, and go read the Sun which has been documenting the baltimore police departments abuse, corruption and excess. Defending this filth is itself filthy!!!!

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yep, not for long though, just pulled the cover to my pool, so I'll be busy changing the color from green to clear....ha!

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Dude! I think that there's ways to prepare your pool for winter storage that prevent that from happening.

Montecresto said:

That's what I thought. In fact you probably are unaware of any cop anywhere ever having done anything wrong.

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Well you pin the badge on for a while and let me know what you see.

CRUE CAB said:

Well you pin the badge on for a while and let me know what you see.

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And what does that mean?

Montecresto said:

And what does that mean?

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Over your head? Do the job and you will see all kinds of crap from both LEO and citizens.

I just don't fathom the way a majority of Americans are "Surprised" that there is such discontent amongst the citizenship across the country.

When I first began to contribute views through forums like these (The TVO Forum - 2005 as an example), I wrote strongly worded views that the "American Street" was going to explode and that martial law was going to be implemented. I predicted 15 years maximum till all hell broke loose.

Because of my lifestyle, I had frequent interactions with "The Street Folks". And I was hearing huge "Revengeful" anger. Especially the middle class because they had once enjoyed the "American Dream" and had lost the "Dream" during a tilting economic downturn. I noticed that the lower class were just angry, but not "Revengeful" angry like the middle class was. I think it was because the middle class can not handle losing the "Dream" and where the lower class had never enjoyed the "Dream" in their lifetime.

It is not going to be Poor Folks who tear America apart ..... It is going to be the middle class.

I believe that the Tea Party was the beginning of a middle class revolt. They even boldly holstered their handguns on their waist line when they turned up to rallies and events. But, the Ruling Class simply co-opted the message in the same way that the Occupy Movement message was co-opted and the media narrative of both movements changed within a very short time.

I am not surprised at all when watching the civil unrest in Baltimore and elsewhere across North America.

If the media failed to have people completely aware of the noticeable anger simmering within minority communities and groups, then it would be also true that the media has not voiced the anger presently existing upon every North American Street.

Calm

The Baltimore Police have something of a credibility deficit already.



On the other hand both statements can be true....