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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    From Snopes.
    Freddy Gray had a pre-existing spinal and neck injury and had severe damage and scar tissue from an accident that Allstate Insurance was paying him a large structured settlement. Freddy had several unsuccessful spinal fusion surgeries, he most recent spinal/cervical operation was a week and a half before he was arrested. Freddy should have been at home in bed resting and recovering from recent major operation instead of manufacturing and distributing drugs on the streets and resisting arrest. Freddy has a criminal record pages long for manufacturing and distributing controlled dangerous drugs that were cocaine crack heroine etc. along with many assault charges, gun charges, breaking and entering and the list goes on since he was 18 years old. (Juvenile records are sealed.) Look at some of this on www.mdjudiciarycasesearch. You will also see where he was trying to cash in his monthly structured settlement for his spinal injury payments to one lump sum through Peachtree Funding, He could have easily fallen in the paddy wagon from the slippery bench to the floor or twisted his fused spine to reopen his recently fused damaged spine. Also, the police that arrested him were also black, not white. Why are people destroying their own homes and revenue when they don't know the whole story? Mostly because it's a good reason and timing to loot and get new shoes and stolen goods? You got it! None of the police officers that arrested Freddy had a history of police brutality. Freddy was a dangerous career felon with a damaged spine and neck that was supposed to be healing a week and a half after surgery, not running the streets committing felonies and resisting arrest.
    Read more at snopes.com: Freddie Gray Had Spinal Surgery?
    Errr, Snopes confirmed that that entire paragraph is false/a rumour???
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by calm View Post
    Sharpton is a fellow protester and thus both him and Jesse have an agenda and they have always been viewed as spokespersons.

    But John McCain is a U.S. Senator ..... and who has a history of supporting violent protests as he has done within several countries worldwide.

    Why would John McCain support and openly encourage violent protests in most every other country within the universe but not his own country?

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    McCain was in Ukraine to give hope to the Ukrainian rebels revolting against Russia. Remember, Bush pledged to support Ukraine if they got rid of their nukes and WMD's. They did, but now the US has withdrawn that support, since the US has new leadership, and Obama doesn't want to fight against the Russians. He would rather make deals with them. Why do you think Russia made the move into Crimea? They knew the US wouldn't do a thing. You are comparing apples to oranges. Now, you may say that the rioters are fighting tyranny, but why is it that most of these rioters are criminals bused in from all over the US, just to cause trouble? They couldn't give a rat's ass about Gray. It's just another excuse to steal things.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    It would be an excuse to test those suppressors we are legal to hunt with now, It seems that during a situation such as this all the video equipment out in public becomes useless since the rioters do not get caught and charges later. So why not use the opportunity to remove the real problem that too many are afraid to describe for fear of being labeled somehow. I would bet the activities would be at least drastically reduced after the stories of some of these animals being dropped in the street with no idea where the shot came from. Odds are they would reach the same fate at the hands of other thugs anyway, as Hillary would say," What difference does it make?"

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Errr, Snopes confirmed that that entire paragraph is false/a rumour???
    Disputed. He probably did have an injury but for some reason the family has been coy about how long ago his last surgery was.
    Had it been me or my kin, that's the first thing I would have brought up. "You killed my recovering son you bastards in blue".

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Disputed. He probably did have an injury but for some reason the family has been coy about how long ago his last surgery was.
    Had it been me or my kin, that's the first thing I would have brought up. "You killed my recovering son you bastards in blue".
    Nope it's not disputed. The paragraph you posted is an outright fabrication.

    The actual reason for a Freddie Gray (there are over 50 in Baltimore) appearing in court records apparently was to do with exposure to lead paint.

    Protip: Read your sources before you post them as evidence and come to damning conclusions from them. Now the guy who liked your post is running around thinking it's true.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Nope it's not disputed. The paragraph you posted is an outright fabrication.

    The actual reason for a Freddie Gray (there are over 50 in Baltimore) appearing in court records apparently was to do with exposure to lead paint.

    Protip: Read your sources before you post them as evidence and come to damning conclusions from them. Now the guy who liked your post is running around thinking it's true.
    I said it was from Snopes right off the bat. Meaning, if you can read, means take it with a grain of salt. May be true, may not.
    But as of last night, both his lawyer and family said it was not true.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I said it was from Snopes right off the bat. Meaning, if you can read, means take it with a grain of salt. May be true, may not.
    But as of last night, both his lawyer and family said it was not true.
    Right ok nice backtrack. Now it doesn't fit your agenda we need the grain of salt. You said that it was posted from Snopes but you clearly didn't read the page, which clearly states that what you posted is false. You just jumped to a conclusion in your eagerness to fulfill your confirmation bias.

    Snopes posted journalist sources for the conclusions they came to. You just completely misrepresented the situation completely. Again, read your source before you start quoting it out of context (i.e. without the big this isn't true red flashing dot).

    Fact of the matter is, given what we know right now, what you posted is a load of hearsay, BS and really, libel too. Your own source says so.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
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    In a sense there was huge civil unrest happening in Ukraine. There was animosity between Eastern Ukrainians and the rest of the country. Those living in the East were Politically Pro-Russian because most all the jobs and economic activity in the Eastern area was with Russian trade.

    Before the coup in Kiev even got serious, the Eastern Folks wanted to negotiate some sort of autonomy if ever the rest of Ukraine chose to go completely West and/or with NATO. The Eastern Folks felt they had no real political influence within the Kiev political system itself.

    There are not many instances thus far, and where it can be said that the Eastern (Pro-Russia) folks are attacking and killing people in Kiev. (The seat of government.)

    However; there has been a systematic attack carried out by the Kiev government to destroy all the infrastructure and every major factory which is situated in the East, just like NATO did in Libya and what Israel did in Gaza.

    The East wants some "independence" (some respect" like a regular Federal Democratic State has. They are not demanding total independence, they are asking only for a negotiated Autonomy.
    Autonomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Poor Folks in America are asking that their voices be heard and to be given some sort of "Political Respect" in the same way the Eastern Folks in Ukraine set out to do.

    When the Folks in Baltimore destroyed the pharmacy, they were destroying infrastructure in the same way that the government forces were doing in Eastern Ukraine.

    The cost of destroying infrastructure in Ukraine is a form of National Suicide in order to have the Eastern Folks brought to their knees.

    The Ruling Class always play for "Keeps".

    In Baltimore; if the protesters want to win anything at all, they must make the cost too prohibitive for the Ruling Class to ignore. The Ruling Class need to understand that either they deal with the issues raised by protesters or the National Suicide scenario is at the doorstep. The protesters must be prepared to drive major cities towards higher property taxes just to pay the "Policing Costs" alone.

    Protests must take place where the Middle Class live ..... Not in the Lower Class neighbourhood itself. Nothing is gained by destroying your own cars and stuff ..... It must be done in city central. The Ruling Class must shown that it is cheaper for the Ruling Class to begin serious negotiations than to pay the security and infrastructure damage. It may take a lot of damage and policing costs over an extended period of time, but sooner or later the Ruling Class must come to the negotiating table.

    Because of the curfew, protesters need to aimlessly enter buildings during business hours in the center of the city and there will be a huge cost of having security investigate you before being allowed to enter ..... every Upper Class shopper will have their shopping experience seriously delayed. A huge cost to city infrastructure. Maybe to forget and leave your shopping bag in the store and the disruption would be just as if the TSA found an abandoned bag at an airport. Lots of financial cost for robots and specialty police services involved in securing every abandoned bag.

    ..... And up the ante during the hot days of summer and where the cops dressed in riot/military gear need to turn the fire hoses on themselves just to cool off.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by calm View Post
    In a sense there was huge civil unrest happening in Ukraine. There was animosity between Eastern Ukrainians and the rest of the country. Those living in the East were Politically Pro-Russian because most all the jobs and economic activity in the Eastern area was with Russian trade.

    Before the coup in Kiev even got serious, the Eastern Folks wanted to negotiate some sort of autonomy if ever the rest of Ukraine chose to go completely West and/or with NATO. The Eastern Folks felt they had no real political influence within the Kiev political system itself.

    There are not many instances thus far, and where it can be said that the Eastern (Pro-Russia) folks are attacking and killing people in Kiev. (The seat of government.)

    However; there has been a systematic attack carried out by the Kiev government to destroy all the infrastructure and every major factory which is situated in the East, just like NATO did in Libya and what Israel did in Gaza.

    The East wants some "independence" (some respect" like a regular Federal Democratic State has. They are not demanding total independence, they are asking only for a negotiated Autonomy.
    Autonomy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Poor Folks in America are asking that their voices be heard and to be given some sort of "Political Respect" in the same way the Eastern Folks in Ukraine set out to do.

    When the Folks in Baltimore destroyed the pharmacy, they were destroying infrastructure in the same way that the government forces were doing in Eastern Ukraine.

    The cost of destroying infrastructure in Ukraine is a form of National Suicide in order to have the Eastern Folks brought to their knees.

    The Ruling Class always play for "Keeps".

    In Baltimore; if the protesters want to win anything at all, they must make the cost too prohibitive for the Ruling Class to ignore. The Ruling Class need to understand that either they deal with the issues raised by protesters or the National Suicide scenario is at the doorstep. The protesters must be prepared to drive major cities towards higher property taxes just to pay the "Policing Costs" alone.

    Protests must take place where the Middle Class live ..... Not in the Lower Class neighbourhood itself. Nothing is gained by destroying your own cars and stuff ..... It must be done in city central. The Ruling Class must shown that it is cheaper for the Ruling Class to begin serious negotiations than to pay the security and infrastructure damage. It may take a lot of damage and policing costs over an extended period of time, but sooner or later the Ruling Class must come to the negotiating table.

    Because of the curfew, protesters need to aimlessly enter buildings during business hours in the center of the city and there will be a huge cost of having security investigate you before being allowed to enter ..... every Upper Class shopper will have their shopping experience seriously delayed. A huge cost to city infrastructure. Maybe to forget and leave your shopping bag in the store and the disruption would be just as if the TSA found an abandoned bag at an airport. Lots of financial cost for robots and specialty police services involved in securing every abandoned bag.

    ..... And up the ante during the hot days of summer and where the cops dressed in riot/military gear need to turn the fire hoses on themselves just to cool off.

    Calm
    With all due respect, that is just bull
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    With all due respect, that is just bull
    I wrote a lot of words and made some observations.

    What exactly do you see as being untrue?

    If I knew exactly what you disagreed with, then maybe I could at least do you the courtesy of further support/explain my view.

    The point I was attempting to make with the Baltimore situation is that the Ruling Class need to quickly realize that they can hire a thousand cops and pay them 75-100 thousand per year each or hire 2 Poor People (maybe 4) for the same amount of money. The cost of security must be so prohibitive that it is cheaper to invest in social programs.

    Even if the "Newly Hired" Poor People just sat around and twiddled their thumbs all day. It still would be cheaper and more productive ... and that is the bottom line.

    Not a bad trade off I would think.

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