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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    "A couple" is two.

    More than two of these videos are posted every hour. Of every day. For years now.

    Most of them are just raw footage.

    Nothing "edited" about them.

    And I didn't say anything about "damning" anyone.

    I said that they no longer have my trust.

    A couple years ago a cop could do just about anything and I'd give him or her the benefit of the doubt because, as you apparently still are, I was naive about what was actually going on in the law enforcement community.

    Being a white, upper middle class, college educated, moderately conservative, Veteran the police were my kind of people.

    Not any more.

    Now you have to be a far (and I mean lunatic fringe) right wing ideologue who is more interested in style than substance in order to support these people across the board.

    Now I take the position, like Ronald Reagan said, of "Trust, but verify".

    If there is any question that the police might possibly be in the wrong I generally assume that they were probably in the wrong.

    Because they're in the wrong so gosh darn much.

    It doesn't matter whether they're strong-arming a Nevada cattle rancher, shooting to death a Sunday school teacher in a church parking lot, or dealing with the worst drug dealing, gang affiliated elements of the Baltimore underbelly.
    Clearly some are edited.
    Even the SC officer shooting is "raw" and does not tell the whole story.
    On the full vid you see the felon fighting with the officer. But that part was not released or supplied until after the officer was charged with murder.

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The fact that that even needs to be mentioned as a defense against a wholesale legitimate condemnation of what law enforcement has become is pretty pathetic, don't you think?
    Yea, that truth thing. She sure is pathetic.

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Clearly some are edited.
    Even the SC officer shooting is "raw" and does not tell the whole story.
    On the full vid you see the felon fighting with the officer. But that part was not released or supplied until after the officer was charged with murder.
    Oh.

    I see.

    The part of the video that had nothing to do with a cop murdering a guy in cold blood (and then attempting to cover up his crime by tampering with evidence) wasn't released until it was released.

    Fair enough.



    At the end of the day it wouldn't really have mattered what happened in that previously unreleased portion of the video, because under no circumstances is a cop (or anyone else in America) allowed to shoot a fleeing man in the back from 30 feet away and then stage the scene so it appears as though no crime was committed.

    But I will grant you that the irrelevant portion of the video was initially withheld.

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Oh.

    I see.

    The part of the video that had nothing to do with a cop murdering a guy in cold blood (and then attempting to cover up his crime by tampering with evidence) wasn't released until it was released.

    Fair enough.



    At the end of the day it wouldn't really have mattered what happened in that previously unreleased portion of the video, because under no circumstances is a cop (or anyone else in America) allowed to shoot a fleeing man in the back from 30 feet away and then stage the scene so it appears as though no crime was committed.

    But I will grant you that the irrelevant portion of the video was initially withheld.
    Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.


    Were you a cop? I can't keep up with who is, was, or wasn't.


    Fleeing felon rule specifically precludes shooting people in the back who don't post an imediate threat


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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Never heard of the fleeing felon rules? Oh, yea that's right you have never worn the uniform. But you are an expert.
    Never heard of Tennessee v. Garner?

    Graham v. Connor?

    That pesky 4th Amendment!!!!

    As American jurisprudence would have it cops actually aren't allowed to just shoot any old fleeing suspect in the back for no apparent reason other than an ambiguous claim of "feeling threatened" (nor are they allowed to plant evidence on that suspect or call in reports that they rendered first aid and performed CPR when in fact they actually just handcuffed the guy and allowed him to die face down in the dirt without making any effort to prevent a needless death).

    Who would have thought?
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Never heard of Tennessee v. Garner?

    Graham v. Connor?

    That pesky 4th Amendment!!!!

    As American jurisprudence would have it cops actually aren't allowed to just shoot any old fleeing suspect in the back for no apparent reason other than an ambiguous claim of "feeling threatened" (nor are they allowed to plant evidence on that suspect or call in reports that they rendered first aid and performed CPR when in fact they actually just handcuffed the guy and allowed him to die face down in the dirt without making any effort to prevent a needless death).

    Who would have thought?
    Once you lay hands on an officer, you are no longer just a fleeing felon. That goes beyond the pale of "feeling threatened" and actually being assaulted.

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Once you lay hands on an officer, you are no longer just a fleeing felon.
    Yes, you are.

    Assaulting a police officer is a felony.

    If you assault a cop and run you are, by definition, a fleeing felon.

    That goes beyond the pale of "feeling threatened" and actually being assaulted.
    Well, "feeling threatened" is the "reason" that Michael Slager gave for shooting Scott, so while I agree with you that being assaulted certainly raises the stakes, Slager didn't go with that excuse because he didn't know that he was being video taped at the time of the murder (an oversight for which I'm certain he's kicking himself in the pants).

    Either way, neither "feeling threatened" nor "being assaulted" rise to the standard set by Tennessee v. Garner and Graham v. Connor in respect to shooting a fleeing felon.

    In order to shoot a fleeing felon Slager would have to be able to demonstrate that the felon posed an imminent threat either to himself (Slager) or to a bystander.

    But, again, since Slager didn't know he was being video recorded he didn't think to make up a big lie about how Scott was running toward "the children" (or some other innocent, defenseless bystander) necessitating the use of deadly force.

    What Slager did was shoot a fleeing felon in the back at a distance of 30 or so feet despite the face that Scott posed no imminent threat to anyone.

    And that, my friend, is murder.
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    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Several officers are hurt right now -- one is unresponsive.


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    re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Yes, you are.

    Assaulting a police officer is a felony.

    If you assault a cop and run you are, by definition, a fleeing felon.

    End your rant right there and you are right. Period.
    Once someone rabbits, you don't know why and you don't know to what lengths they may go to. To stay running.

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