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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Your statement in itself is BS. Do your little google search and see how sports commentators describe baseball by race. Do it! Like another poster pointed out, not many blacks are involved in hockey either and there are a large overwhelming number of fans of hockey that are WHITE.
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    I do say your statement is BS. (That the mainstream media or legitimate sources are saying what you claimed.) Put up or shut up but I cant prove something that doesnt exist. If it does, it's on you to prove it.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Did you ever stop to think that more white folks attend baseball games because they can afford to?
    Let's quit playing bull**** games here.

    Why does every single issue with the con-right always have to be so racially divisive from 'you people'?
    I ask you that because I already know the answer--it's the only way you folks see a way to get back the POTUS .
    White folks make up the majority of fans in baseball just as they do in hockey. It's a damn fact. The reason there were so many WHITE folks at Camden Yards is because they make up the majority of fans. End of story.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Um, no, you are not cognizant, apparently, of the fact that minorities tend to be stopped, and arrested, and charged, and convicted in higher percentages than whites. There is often a bias, profiling, etc.

    Minorities get pulled over for just being minorities.
    Or maybe minorities are more often committing crimes? (Seems to be substantiated by the crime statistics) Occam's Razor and all that.

    No, no. You go ahead and believe whatever fairly tales it is that you want to believe.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Or maybe minorities are more often committing crimes? (Seems to be substantiated by the crime statistics) Occam's Razor and all that.

    No, no. You go ahead and believe whatever fairly tales it is that you want to believe.
    I'm not the one fantasizing here.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The only brutality I see with my own eyes, and this is the case for the majority of Americans, is the brutality being perpetrated against police by the thug rioters.
    Of course that's all you see. You can ignore it because it's not shown on tv nationwide. It's not know in front of your eyes everyday.

    https://youtu.be/u4xjaWjipZs

    https://youtu.be/eDTbSmF76N8

    https://youtu.be/TSQZpo8LdSk

    None of those cops had charges filed against them for A&B.

    https://youtu.be/fkJUVrNrV5Q

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And therein lies the problem with rioting as a form of getting heard. The rioters aren't winning over anyone to their cause, quite the opposite: it's hard to empathize with the cause of lawless, violent hooligans roaming the streets committing violence against and looting innocent people.
    That's where the problem lies. It's actual ignorance (lack of knowledge) of what goes on day in and day out. National media doesn't report Trayvon Scott, George V. King (who has tased a total of 5 times) or Anthony Anderson.. in fact there are 31 total cases of Baltimore police custody deaths with in the last 4 years. But I am not listing all of them. I am listing the cases in which their were PEACEFUL protests in Baltimore that weren't covered by National media. Even further to drive the point home 109 total cases in the Baltimore area (Baltimore city, Prince George, Baltimore, Anne Arundel, and Howard Counties) in the last 4 years.

    That ACLU, local community and others have for years tried to address the issue and the BCPD and the surrounding areas have basically told them "there is no problem". Which was no different then what the BCPD said for years over their illegal dentition program. BCPD was well-known to arrest people for "minor" charges some of them creative interpretation of the laws just to arrest people. Massively done during the 2000's. People were detained at Central Booking for several days even before seeing court commissioner which is illegal (due process law and Maryland law). So people would spend days in Jail for **** like jaywalking or in the case of a Virginia couple for "trespassing" on a public street because they tried to ask for directions on how to get to I-95 (they were lost). State of Maryland had to step in an pass new laws because of the BCPD illegal program because under Maryland law at the time.. if you were arrested and not charged, it stayed on your record. But State of Maryland tacked on get out of jail card for police. You (the victim) couldn't sue for wrongful detainment. Problem is there are hundreds if not thousands in Baltimore arrested this way over the last 10 years who can't afford the lawyer to bring the official complaint to have your record cleared. So they can't pass background checks. So they become unemployable which means they become a burden on society when it comes to welfare and welfare isn't gonna pay the bills. So they are gonna start doing real crimes and it's a vicious cycle.

    That's Baltimore. That's always been Baltimore. Baltimore's politicians care more about Federal dollars from the Justice Department in Homeland Security so they look to arrest to arrest and pad their numbers. I don't know if you know but Federal dollars from Justice and Homeland are based on the numbers you can show. Not on actual evidence of those crimes being committed.

    So you can sit on your ivory tower all you want. You don't personally deal with what people in Baltimore deal with that is ROUTINELY ignored by the national media. So when you see a riot, you pass judgement on something you aren't even close to understanding.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Actually, Mr. Gray was an altar boy like Treyvon and Michael Brown;

    Freddie Gray's Arrest Record:
    3/20/2015 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    3/13/2015 Malicious destruction of property, second degree assault.
    1/20/2015 Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    1/14/2015 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute
    12/31/2014 Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    12/14/2014 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    8/31/2014 Illegal gambling, trespassing
    1/25/2014 Possession of Marijuana
    9/28/2013 Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possion of a controlled substance,
    second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    4/13/2012 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    7/16/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute
    3/28/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    3/14/2008 Possesion of a Controlled substance, possession with intent to manufacture
    and distribute.
    2/11/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    8/29/2007 Possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute,
    violation of parole.
    8/28/2007 Possession of Marijuana
    8/23/2007 False statements to a Peace Officer, unlawful possession of a controlled
    dangerous substance.
    7/16/2007 Possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute,
    unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

    (Maryland DOJ)

    I do not defend or indict the officers. The case is still pending.
    Sorry with that many "intent to distribute", it would have resulted in long term prison time. People have to understand ALL charges stay on your record in Maryland unless you pay to get it expunged. Odds are he wasn't convicted on 90% of those.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    J
    It is a simple street battle ..... between the middle class "Just-Us" guys and the lower class or the "Justice" guys.

    And; in my view, these protesters are on a battlefield and make no mistake ..... The "Just-US" guys are playing for keeps. When push comes, the Ruling Class will import armed private mercenaries from third world countries if necessary to maintain absolute control of the system.

    Many people died during the uprisings of the1960's and early 70's.

    To justify the State Violence against protesters, the Ruling Class "Invented" and introduced the "Druggie" and "Hippie" threat in the same way that anti-terror legislation being applied today.

    Garden Plot
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    The DOD Civil Disturbance Plan, nicknamed “Garden Plot”, was superseded after the events of September 11, 2001. The replacement to Garden Plot is Concept Plan (CONPLAN) 2502, also confusingly known as CONPLAN 3502, and is the responsibility of U. S. Northern Command.
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    "For a riot to begin, it is necessary but not sufficient that there be many people who want to riot and who believe that others want to riot too. One more hurdle has to be overcome. Even in an unstable gathering, the first perpetrator of a misdemeanor is at risk if the police are willing and able to zero in on him. Thus, someone has to serve as a catalyst–a sort of entrepreneur to get things going–in Buford’s account usually by breaking a window (a signal that can be heard by many who do not see it)."

    "In civil rights, anti-war or anti-abortion marches, it is probably pretty common to find participants eager to expose themselves to arrest in exchange for the chance to optimize the desired impact of their protest. This sort of self-sacrifice is certainly rare in ordinary riots, where potential rioters’ behavior is consistent, we suppose, with something like the following calculation: “If somebody else gets the riot started, I can participate without much risk. But if I stick my neck out and nobody follows, I’ll be the only one arrested. So I’ll wait for somebody else to go first.” If every would-be rioter reasoned thus, nobody would cast the first stone, and the riot would not ignite. This is a typical free-rider problem, as economists have called it. It is usually sufficient to prevent riots from occurring, even where there is a plentiful supply of disposed participants. Riots await events that surmount the free rider problem."


    Section 802 expanded the definition of domestic terrorism to include persons who engage in acts of civil disobedience to coerce or affect the conduct of government by intimidation of the civilian population.

    The Civil Rights Act was enacted because the American Human Conscience could not handle seeing stark Black and White photographs of dogs attacking protesters. Most all the media coverage at the time was through Life Magazine and in news print.

    Infiltration of Political Movements Is the Norm in America
    How many agents or infiltrators can we expect to see inside a movement? One of the most notorious “police riots” was at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. Independent journalist Yasha Levine writes: “During the 1968 protests of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, which drew about 10,000 protesters and was brutally crushed by the police, 1 out of 6 protesters was a federal undercover agent.
    That’s right, 1/6th of the total protesting population was made up of spooks drawn from various federal agencies. That’s roughly 1,600 people! The stat came from an Army document obtained by CBS News in 1978, a full decade after the protest took place. According to CBS, the infiltrators were not passive observers, monitoring and relaying information to central command, but were involved in violent confrontations with the police.”
    Peter Camejo, who ran as a Socialist Workers Party candidate for president in 1976, as a Green Party candidate for governor of California in 2003 and as Ralph Nader’s vice presidential running mate in 2004, often told of infiltration in his mid-’70s presidential campaign.
    After campaign offices were burglarized, Camejo was able to get the FBI into court by suing it over COINTELPRO activities. The judge asked the FBI special agent in charge how many FBI agents had worked in Camejo’s presidential campaign; the answer was 66. Camejo estimated he had a campaign staff of 400 across the country. Once again that would be an infiltration rate of about one in six. Camejo discovered that among the agents was his campaign co-chair. He also discovered eavesdropping equipment in a campaign office and documents showing the FBI had followed him since he was an 18-year-old student activist.
    Infiltration of Political Movements Is the Norm in America - Truthdig

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    Militarization of police is about shutting down dissent
    Activists and demonstrators are becoming more concerned with the militarization of police departments across the US, an issue which came to the fore following the protests and riots in Ferguson, Missouri last year. Ben Swann spoke with journalist and author Frank Morales about what the militarization of America’s police means to the average person.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm not the one fantasizing here.
    The crimes statistics would indicate differently.

    You can't be seriously proposing that there's a nation wide conspiracy within the criminal justice community for the sole purpose of harassing minorities, arresting and charging them, and incarcerating such a large percentage of their population, and all of this is slipping through the criminal justice system unnoticed, un-objected to. Such a conspiracy would have to include thousands, tens of thousands of people, and would be virtually impossible to maintain and contain.

    No, Occam's Razor applies, and the far simpler and far more plausible explanation is that minorities, for whatever reason, commit more crimes and are caught committing more crimes.

    I'll grant you that there are some cases that follow the arc that I've outlined above, but they are statistical outliers and not the norm, especially when considering how many minorities are changed and incarcerated for violent crimes.

    What's your solution? Minorities cease being charged for the crimes they commit? (most often upon their own ethnic group)
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

    The raw footage shows last night some reporters who happened to be white getting attacked. And last night there's footage of a white store owner being dragged from his store by a mob of black folks sucker punched in the face and stomped into the pavement.

    So to answer your question, some were out to enjoy a ballgame and others were tending to their stores.
    Vesper.. You weren't at Pickles, Sliders, Bullpen and so on. You have NO clue what kicked things off. I was and so was this guy who wrote to correct the narrative that is being spread with his photo being used as he was "protecting a white lay from thugs".

    You had Boston fans calling people N*****s and throwing bottles. You had Baltimore fans who didn't stop it but rather encouraged it because they were drunk off their asses as well. End of the day it was a FAILURE on all sides.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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