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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I know. And I bet some of those thugs even speed and illegally download copyrighted songs and movies off the internet.

    And that guy in the Wal-mart that the police put down for holding a pellet gun he picked up off of one of the shelves? He brought that **** on himself. He should know that his kind have no business getting anywhere near a gun, even toy ones. If black people wanted to be able to walk around openly with rifles without being killed on sight they should have had the good sense to be born white.

    Amirite?
    Actually, Mr. Gray was an altar boy like Treyvon and Michael Brown;

    Freddie Gray's Arrest Record:
    3/20/2015 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    3/13/2015 Malicious destruction of property, second degree assault.
    1/20/2015 Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    1/14/2015 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute
    12/31/2014 Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    12/14/2014 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    8/31/2014 Illegal gambling, trespassing
    1/25/2014 Possession of Marijuana
    9/28/2013 Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possion of a controlled substance,
    second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    4/13/2012 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    7/16/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance, possession of a controlled
    substance with intent to distribute
    3/28/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    3/14/2008 Possesion of a Controlled substance, possession with intent to manufacture
    and distribute.
    2/11/2008 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    8/29/2007 Possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute,
    violation of parole.
    8/28/2007 Possession of Marijuana
    8/23/2007 False statements to a Peace Officer, unlawful possession of a controlled
    dangerous substance.
    7/16/2007 Possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute,
    unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

    (Maryland DOJ)

    I do not defend or indict the officers. The case is still pending.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
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    Sharpton is a fellow protester and thus both him and Jesse have an agenda and they have always been viewed as spokespersons.

    But John McCain is a U.S. Senator ..... and who has a history of supporting violent protests as he has done within several countries worldwide.

    Why would John McCain support and openly encourage violent protests in most every other country within the universe but not his own country?

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    Here in Seattle, and in the media, I keep hearing about the changes they want to make to police department policies and police training. Prez Obama mentioned some things in his press conf. this am. What I never hear is hiring more minority cops If the problem is such an obvious gap where the conflicts end up being a cop and a suspect or victim of different races or ethnicities...where are the investments and plans to go and recruit minorities? What incentives can they offer? Why isnt this already a HUGE investment...have I just not heard about it?

    The Seattle police force has been under scrutiny and even federal mandates to fix issues of excessive force (and other things) for years. They have attempted to hire new police leadership of color, and to focus on training for racial sensitivity, but I've heard nothing about efforts to recruit minorities.

    Why is this?
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Monte View Post
    Actually, Mr. Gray was an altar boy like Treyvon and Michael Brown;

    Freddie Gray's Arrest Record:
    3/20/2015 Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

    <snip>
    Ah, but the question here is not one of the deceased's (admittedly extensive) criminal record, but of possible police wrong-doing.

    I do not defend or indict the officers. The case is still pending.
    Which appears very reasonable on the surface, but there are concerns as to the accuracy of the results.

    There is a groundswell of lack-of-faith in our police & their ability to investigate themselves, along with structural defects in the legal system with regards to police activity. This is growing in perception to be the greater problem - not a problem of a 'rotten apple', but one of structural defects, including in the investigative/prosecutorial mechanisms.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Thank you too for a thoughtful post. But here when you say "people are angry," you need to distinguish between those who have gathered to protest for the purpose of demanding answers--overdue--about Freddie Gray and those who are destroying their own neighborhoods and trying to seize opportunities. They don't give a damn about Freddie Gray, and they're a distraction.

    It's not just Baltimore that needs answers--concerned citizens across the nation are troubled too and want to know how this young man came to die. This should be about Freddie Gray. There is no excuse for the rioting and looting, and I don't think that the people perpetrating these crimes are coming to any conclusions because they aren't thinking at all.

    I hope the presence of the National Guard will settle the situation down so that the good, decent people of Baltimore can rest easy in their own homes and not fear for their businesses.
    Oh, I definitely do distinguish between them. However, I also see that the overwhelming majority of these rioters and protesters all seem to be attacking the same general target while a small minority is focused on attacking private property. If you watch the protests, the property being destroyed is almost entirely state owned; parks, garbage cans, police cars. Yes, some private businesses are being targeted but they simply do not represent the majority of what is being attacked. That is a textbook example of a people lashing out against the state. I'm not comparing it to the tea party in Boston or the Arab Spring but the similarities are still there. People are attacking the property owned by a state that they see as being a failure even after it supposedly made promises to bring more equality.

    Of course, it's no excuse for the looting itself and I in no way condone it. However, I see these protests and the general rioting as a lashing out that occurred because the justice system failed to correct itself when people weren't rioting. Baltimore PD has paid off over 100 victims of police brutality in the last few years. That's not a resolution of the issue. That's hush money. Baltimore PD has paid off 5 million in 3 years for its brutality. Sounds like a small number of people until you realize that it includes pregnant women, 15 year old kids, and senior citizens. This latest incident simply sparked a much larger sense of outrage and if anything, the rioting will lead to a discussion that simply did not exist before.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Hi Chomsky!
    I tried to make my response easily readable. My responding points are below your points, in bold:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Ah, but the question here is not one of the deceased's (admittedly extensive) criminal record, but of possible police wrong-doing.
    If you think that ALL of the facts will not be presented, you are being naive. Relevancy will be decided by potential jurors.
    Which appears very reasonable on the surface, but there are concerns as to the accuracy of the results.
    What needs to be accurate?
    There is a groundswell of lack-of-faith in our police & their ability to investigate themselves, along with structural defects in the legal system with regards to police activity. This is growing in perception to be the greater problem - not a problem of a 'rotten apple', but one of structural defects, including in the investigative/prosecutorial mechanisms.
    This is your opinion. Not mine. You are placing all the fault on that of the authorities.
    To follow your train of thought, what "corrections" need to be made to the structure or the legal mechanisms?

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Why are white people hanging around there?
    The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

    The raw footage shows last night some reporters who happened to be white getting attacked. And last night there's footage of a white store owner being dragged from his store by a mob of black folks sucker punched in the face and stomped into the pavement.

    So to answer your question, some were out to enjoy a ballgame and others were tending to their stores.

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by Longshot Lou View Post
    If this was the case, and there is an "all out war" in Baltimore, as right wing media have characterized it, why were no cops "taken out" ?
    Be patient.

    I'm sure you'll get your wish.

    How long after Eric Garners arrest and death did it take for some thug to assassinate two NYPD officers ?

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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Oh, you and I are on the same page, but I was merely pointing out that cops can be bad. Gone are the days when cops would duke it out with a felon. If the tazer doesn't work, then it's shoot first, and let the lawyers sort it out.

    About a year ago, a local young cop stopped a black guy for driving a stolen SUV. As he was exiting his patrol car, the unarmed burly black guy jumped out and beat the cop, almost to death. They got the black guy, and he was sentenced to a long prison term. This cop had been on the force about 2 years. With what he experienced, I bet he shoots first next time, whether the guy is unarmed or not. The policeman had activated his patrol car camera so everyone had a bird's eye view of the perp.
    It's real life scenarios and experiences like this which make the cops respond like they do. It's the same ones who have no knowledge of the job, no idea as to the experiences, which cry the loudest the police should do this, or the police should do that.

    How many of your fellow officers do you have to bury, or are forced into early retirement due to long term medical repercussions of an altercation, or visit in the hospital before responding aggressively to a resisting and aggressive suspect? How long would it be for the cop to cop a bad attitude when dealing with the dregs society throws his way day in and day out?

    Many cry for the thug that shot or beat up, yet the other side of the coin, far to few even pay any never mind.
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    Re: Baltimore Police: Gangs Enter Partnership to ‘Take-Out’ Officers [W:99]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The riots broke out over the weekend when there was a game at Camden Yards Orioles versus the Red Sox. White folks tend to like baseball. They have restaurants/bars with outside seating. Lots of white folks tend to grab some lunch and a brew or two and then walk across the street to the game. This is the area that the mayor allowed those who wanted to destroy things to occur. It was white folks being terrorized in their cars. It was white folks having projectiles hurled at them and injuring them. Things being thrown at the windows shattering where they had gathered inside. There is even footage of a white woman in a wheel chair blocked and white folks standing around her as human shields to protect her from getting hit with objects.The raw footage verifies this to be fact.

    The raw footage shows last night some reporters who happened to be white getting attacked. And last night there's footage of a white store owner being dragged from his store by a mob of black folks sucker punched in the face and stomped into the pavement.

    So to answer your question, some were out to enjoy a ballgame and others were tending to their stores.


    I'm talking that night, days later, today.
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